False advertisements and fake IDs confirm a deceitful collective mindset

Dear Violet and All,

i checked to follow up on John Noyce's Wikipedia deception and, to my surprise, the thread has been deleted. i have thus realized that we have been very lucky indeed to catch John Noyce red-handed. (i use "we" because Violet was the one who first alerted me to John Noyce and Sfacets editing out http://www.adishakti.org from Wikipedia.)

In the first place, you must join just as the comments are posted. Then there is a narrow timeframe to copy them as John Noyce deletes the incriminating evidence almost immediately. Indeed we have been so fortunate to have nabbed him. Something just made me check Wikipedia in the nick of time.

i have also found out something about Wikipedia's Checkuser:

"Checkuser
Wikipedia operates a process known as Checkuser to identify some sock puppets in certain cases. Where it is unclear whether or not sock puppetry is in progress, server log information can be consulted. To comply with Wikimedia Foundation privacy policy, this is limited to a handful of users with checkuser privilege and only done in serious cases, with reasonable cause, to check if user A is the same as user B based upon some evidence."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry

Having access to Checkuser is something like obtaining a search warrant from a judge. You are only granted if solid evidence of suspected criminal activity is presented. So in John Noyce's case it was a slam dunk as Will Beback had a thick dossier on JN's past use of multiple IDs, a fact that is well-known among those SYs unfortunate to work with him. (Remember http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sahaja-yoga-response/ John Noyce?)

>
> Will the organisation ever recover from this deception? i don't
> know for sure. Can integrity yet come out from the younger
> generation, in spite of this 'early deception'? Hasn't everyone's
> hands already been 'thoroughly tied'? i remember a Sahaja Yogini
> telling me that Shri Mataji told her in about the 80's, in
> reference to administration, that: "they will tie everything up!"
>

Violet, all your fears will come true if you remain silent. But here we are not only exposing the bare butts of these deceitful, WCASY- approved candidates but spanking them sore too. However, it is the evidence gathered and archived that will turn the tide in future. i am very sure that Shri Mataji will triumph despite the John Noyces, Alan Wherrys and Yogi Mahajans within the organization.

It is without question that the turning point and force will come from outside the organization. One day we will all witness the birth of an organization based on the true, transparent teachings and Divine Message of Shri Mataji. So do not empower the present deceitful SYSSR organization in any way. It will only delay the onset of the Blossom Time that Shri Mataji has so tirelessly campaigned for more than three decades. How much time does our 84-year-old Divine Mother still have to see that Dawn of Truth?

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> Shri Mataji said a couple of months ago that if SYM doesn't work in
> America then the whole world will be lost.
>

Not only will Sahaja Yoga Meditation not work in America, or anywhere else for the matter, as long as we have deceitful people running the organization. Whether it is the false advertisements of the present Sahaja Yoga organization or the fake IDs of John Noyce, they confirm a deceitful collective mindset.

Main Entry: de�ceit�ful
: having a tendency or disposition to deceive:
a: not honest
b: deceptive, misleading

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

regards to all,

jagbir

>
> In the first place, you must join just as the comments are posted.
> Then there is a narrow timeframe to copy them as John Noyce
> deletes the incriminating evidence almost immediately. Indeed we
> have been so fortunate to have nabbed him. Something just made
> me check Wikipedia in the nick of time.
>

And here is the Wikipedia evidence of the crafty fox, caught in the hen house, quickly deleting his tracks as he flees from farmer WB hot on his tail ........... er, i mean trail.

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Sock tags
Why are you deleting the sock tags from the user pages? It's standard practice to label them. �:� Will Beback �:� 16:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

these user ids are not being used, are they Mark? Sahajhist 21:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

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jagbir

--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, "Violet" wrote:

Dear Jagbir and self-realised Souls,

Incredible! And this is the very same deceit that is backed by WCASY. It is also the very same deceit that has been used to prevent Sahaja Yogis in the organisation, from giving Her Identity, Mission, and Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection to the world! Surely, they didn't think they had immunity from exposure, just because they were very clever, not to mention, deceitful with it!

As you have mentioned, Jagbir, we have known about the multiple I.D.'s of John Noyce for some time now, but just could not prove it. But now, thanks to Wikipedia, they have exposed this deception through the use of CheckUser, and i agree that since this is the case, John Noyce is impudent to expect you to apologize to him! i doubt that he will ever apologize to you though, because i don't think he has that kind of a conscience. It seems he can do anything in the 'name of WCASY'! Still, i am speechless, that the whole organisation of Sahaja Yoga has been 'so overcome' through the manipulation into positions of power, by 'administratively deceptive' people, claiming to be Sahaja Yogis - but their heart is far from it!

Will the organisation ever recover from this deception? i don't know for sure. Can integrity yet come out from the younger generation, in spite of this 'early deception'? Hasn't everyone's hands already been 'thoroughly tied'? i remember a Sahaja Yogini telling me that Shri Mataji told her in about the 80's, in reference to administration, that: "they will tie everything up!"

So what's left now, that they have "tied everything up?" Where has the integrity of the organisation gone? Of course, this is a shameful 'eyesore' in the organisation, yet it is only by exposure that the pus in the wound can be healed - except that we are talking about a spiritual organisation here! Every organisation needs honesty, but a spiritual organisation has by its very nature, to be based on honesty, on integrity! If a spiritual organisation is not based on honesty, on integrity, what is left of its "spiritual" part?!

regards to all, violet

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