How can we save our empty, almost bankrupt chain of SY restaurants?

--- In, "jagbir singh"

> Dear devotees of the Adi Shakti,
> i want all to read this 1985 speech by Shri Mataji which Violet
> brought up and is working on. (As moderator i had a peek and could
> not resist commenting.)
> "But for that we have to remember that we have developed lots of
> antidotes in England. Like the words I've seen people use, very
> common is, "That may be too much"; "It may be too much"; "They're
> frightened"; "One shouldn't say too much."
> You should, when you say too much at least little bit will go into
> their heads. So you have to say too much. Say what you want. There
> should be exuberance, exuberance of your ideas, so that something
> goes into their heads. They know that you're sincere, you're saying
> it sincerely, you cannot contain within yourself. Emphatically you
> have to say these. That's what everybody did. All those who were
> great incarnations said it with such concern, with such force. In
> the same way, you have to say without any fear. "Oh, that may be
> too much, Mother it was too much for him." Let him be blasted!
> Doesn't matter, say everything that you have to say. Absolutely,
> with full heart.
> But when people come to Sahaja Yoga, when they come for say, a
> workshop or something, we try to be the same party people. Like in
> the party, you see, "What will you have?" Then we'll say, "Alright,
> let me think. What did I have yesterday, so I'll have today this
> thing." It's like a shopping going on.
> No, you have to say, "We have this and please have it now,
> otherwise you won't have it. This is the time!" Let them say what
> they like. It's important. I see sometimes your SDP conferences
> and all these, the way they speak, they just blast you, I mean,
> hammer in your head. Why should we not, when this is the truth?
> Why should we not tell them and talk to them in that manner? We
> think by being gentle... alright gentleness is different, but I
> mean to say by saying less than I say, understatement. It's
> typical English "That might be too much."
> In Sahaja Yoga it is such a lot that how much are you going to pour
> out, can never be too much. So be careful on that. When you've to
> say it, say it in a very blasty way, doesn't matter. What are they
> going to do? They can't crucify me this time, can they? They dare
> not. Otherwise perfectly alright, nothing can touch me. And even
> crucifixion cannot touch me, you know that.
> So you better say what you've found out, in a big way. And tell
> them in a big way, of course loving and gentle manner but tell
> them, the concern should be there. Alright?... I don't say you
> aggress but don't say anything less, understatement is not needed.
> There should not be any balancing in that. Those people who'll be
> appeased by that will not be good Sahaja Yogis. They cannot come
> in the Kingdom of God. We don't have to be begging of them but we
> have to honour them, we have to respect them, we have to be kind
> to them, but we have to give them what we have. Like in the
> family, you go, you get everything from the fridge and give it to
> them, they'll be very happy to take it whatever you like, what a
> spread. But if you put one little fish and two eggs for ten people
> with one chili to say that it is Sahaja Yoga, maybe a lemon, they
> will think, "What's this going on here? Wishy-washy stuff." "
> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
> Sheffield, UK, August 21 1985

> So we have solid, irrefutable evidence that Shri Mataji wanted the
> Truth to be told openly without any fear or understatement. By the
> words used it is clear that Shri Mataji was ticking off and
> scolding cowardly SYs who were using all sorts of excuses not to
> frighten off new seekers with the truth. i believe She was greatly
> disappointed with such timid devotees:
> "But if you put one little fish and two eggs for ten people with
> one chili to say that it is Sahaja Yoga, maybe a lemon, they will
> think, "What's this going on here. Wishy-washy stuff."

> (i believe She was critical of the lemon and chilli treatment combo
> that is the sacred cow of WCASY/Sahaja Yoga Subtle System
> Religion.)
> Anyway, that was 21 years ago.
> Today the same timid folks have all climbed up the SY leadership
> ladder and make the bulk of WCASY. In short, they hold all the
> important decision making positions ........ a cabal of cowards who
> scratch each others back (and occasionally stab too, as Guido and
> company have unfortunately found out too late). Some council
> members like Alan Wherry use aspiring sidekicks like John Noyce
> and others to do their dirty work of monitoring this forum to
> harass/monitor those freeing themselves from the SY leadership
> clutches to follow Shri Mataji's clear injunctions to openly
> announce Her incarnation and message.
> Shri Mataji is now old, tired and, probably having enough, has
> resorted to silence as those cowards in charge do not understand
> that "if you put one little fish and two eggs for ten people with
> one chili to say that it is Sahaja Yoga, maybe a lemon, they will
> think, "What's this going on here? Wishy-washy stuff."

> It is almost unbelievable that after 21 years WCASY and the SY
> leadership can still convince SYs that the truth will be too much
> for seekers and that they should not say too much ...... but just
> give Self-realization. It is probably the greatest collective lie
> in Sahaja Yoga history. What rank and file SYs do not realize is
> that history is a harsh judge who never forgets .......... or
> forgives.
> jagbir

i am re-posting parts of a previous post below to underscore that the much touted and trumpeted "unique method of meditation based on an experience called Self Realization (Kundalini awakening) that can occur within each human being" is a B- presentation and content at best. This official but severely understated and timidly promoted version of Sahaja Yoga is exactly what Shri Mataji referred to 21 years ago as putting "one little fish and two eggs for ten people with one chili to say that it is Sahaja Yoga".

But even the official presentation of Self-realization, the first chapter out of 108 that make up Shri Mataji's incarnation, is shallow and superficial. It is based and entirely focused on the external manifestation of the Adi Shakti (Holy Spirit/Ruh/Comforter/ Aykaa Mayee) within. Most SYs project their senses externally towards Her physical form and council members like Alan Wherry go into a fit when i say that Her external image is not needed since She is within. Such members can only justify their being livid if they have no knowledge or faith that Shri Mataji is the incarnation of the Devi within. Maybe they have forgotten or cannot grasp or do not have the gnosis that She resides within:

"You know that I reside in the Sahasrara (Kingdom of God within). I incarnated on the Lotus of 1000 Petals; that is why I could break it open also."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Sahasrara Puja Sorento, Italy — May 6, 1989

So WCASY continues to put one little fish and two eggs for ten people with one chili to say that it is Sahaja Yoga. i am 100% convinced that this menu - which is all they have to promote Shri Mataji - is a poor spiritually bland diet that bores and starves the already malnourished souls of the much needed mystical atmosphere, divine taste and gnostic experience so vital for inner nourishment.

The SY leadership has always insisted and enforced the same menu for decades - one little fish and two eggs for ten people with one chili. The fact that 99.999% of seekers never return is a shocking statistic that SYs do not blame on meals prepared in their collective kitchens. But who really cares to remember what Shri Mataji said more than two decades ago and take drastic steps to save our empty, almost bankrupt chain of SY restaurants?


> --- In, "jagbir singh"
> wrote:
> Jesus: "You will learn Truth (gnosis), which will free you from
> the illusions of darkness."

Dear Violet,

You are absolutely right when you say that "Over the last thirty years or so, Shri Mataji has taught that She requires of Sahaja Yogis to use all of their spiritual powers of Love and Creativity to do everything from giving self-realisation... to telling Her Divine Message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection... to declaring and proving Her Identity... to writing and explaining to the world Her Message of Love. (i am sure there are more things that She asked of us, but that will suffice for now.)"

Even Self-realization is much more than raising the kundalini and teaching about the subtle system. i have serious doubts if the vast majority of SYs truly understand Self-realization to the depth discussed here at this forum:

Brahman/God-realization is far more difficult than Self-realization

Sahaj Love shines from The Light within - the same God/Allah/Brahman

Sakti or Devi is Brahman revealed in the mother aspect (Srimata)

Sakti or Devi is the Scared Mother: the Seer, the Seen and Seeing

Secret taught by living Jesus: "If you know yourself then ..." 1

Secret taught by living Jesus: "If you know yourself then ..." 2

Shri Mataji: "You have to enter into the Kingdom of God"

"The discoverer of the Atman must also discover this inner Light"

"The godly light is exactly the beginning of parousia in holy souls"

"The supreme divinity, Lalita, is one's own blissful Self."

Till complete knowledge of Shakti's consciousness arises

What do SYs know about Self-realization?

Thus i am sure that when Shri Mataji told us to give Self- realization it meant much more than the present petty knowledge given by SYs.


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