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How can we SYs be thoughtless
when petty catches keep disturbing us?
From:
"jagbir singh" <www.adishakti.org@gmail.com>
Date: Wed Dec 22, 2004 6:05 pm
Subject: How can we SYs be thoughtless when
petty catches keep disturbing us?
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> >
> --- In
shriadishakti@yahoogroups.com,
Madhurima M <marycheva@y...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Dear Jagbirji,
> >
> > Thanks a lot for all the trouble you have taken to
answer my
> > mail. But the question still lies. How do you
achieve that
> > state of surrendering everything to the kundaline
when you know
> > your left swadisthan is catching very badly or your
liver is
> > heated up. I still cannot figure out how did you
achieve this
> > state by doing nothing at all. I mean not taking the
normal
> > treatments. I know i might sound as a "treatment
fanatic" but i
> > don't know the other way out.
> >
> > Maybe you should let us know what exactly you did to
achieve
> > this state. I would even like to know how you
meditated, where,
> > what did you say to your Kundalinie, were your eyes
closed or
> > open , how were the vibs when you started doing your
meditation
> > and how did they change. Did you listen to some
special bhajans,
> > mantras etc.
> >
> > It is not that I want to cross examine you or in any
way beating
> > around the bushes, but I want to know very
specifically what did
> > you exactly do surrender everything to your
Kundalini. Because
> > for me to get into Nirvichara is not so simple. I
have to work
> > hard and need to be disciplined in order to be in
Nirvichara
> > during meditation and without meditation. Don't take
this mail as
> > if I'm trying to anyway hurt you but just want to
know the
> > details. I'm a seeker who wants to achieve his goal
and nothing
> > else. This is the only truth which I can put before.
>
> > Much love,
> > Madhurima
> >
> >
--- In
shriadishakti@yahoogroups.com,
"jagbir singh"
<adishakti_org@y...> wrote:
>
> Dear Madhurima,
>
> This is a difficult email to answer because it would
seem i have
> an exclusive way to meditate and remain both
catch-free and in
> nirvikalpa. The truth is there is just no exclusive
way, i do
> catch once in a while but only for a few minutes, and
cannot
> remain very long in nirvichara.
>
> Saying a dozen mantras may make things easier for
some, saying
> just one also works for others. Listening only to
Sahaj bhajhans
> may bring joy to most, listening to all may bring
ecstasy to some.
> Seeking treatments may clear the subtle system
problems for many
> but leaving it to the kundalini also works just fine.
Meditating
> twice a day may be compulsory but missing once in a
while should
> not bring guilt.
>
> What i am trying to say is to take it easy and enjoy.
Do not feel
> guilty or fear you will fall. Don't become rigid and
too
> disciplined.
>
> i have never wanted to use my vibrations for mundane
things.
> Whatever knowledge the vibrations bring must be
spontaneous and
> not due to my desire/mental need to know. Maybe
through too much
> practice and attention SYs have become super-sensitive
and
> register even weak catches very strongly. What you may
be thinking
> as a badly caught left swadhistan or hot liver may be
because your
> subtle system is super-sensitive. i may just register
the same as
> mild, easily cured. But you will need daily footsoaks
and ice-
> packs, and still not get 'cured' because your subtle
system is
> still able to pick even very weak signals. That only
continues the
> perpetual cycle of catch and cure.
>
> You are not catching on any chakras but just having an
excellent
> subtle system that is just too finely tuned. There is
just nothing
> wrong with your subtle system because i am not
registering any
> catches from you.
>
> But if i had a fine-tuned subtle system or put too
much attention
> on catches i will definitely register catches strongly
everyday,
> with no solution in sight. Maybe that is why the
senior SY told
> me that there is no such thing as being catch-free.
Maybe a less
> finely tuned subtle system will register catches less.
That does
> not mean it is defective. Maybe it may be balanced and
normal, and
> not highly strung and super-sensitive. Think about it
Madhurima.
>
> jagbir
>
"Many people say, "we have surrendered everything", but
it does not
happen because they do it only in talking. Surrendering
is not
talking. You have to surrender to attain
thoughtlessness. That is
you have stopped thinking. When you stop thinking you
come to the
center. When at the center, immediately you go into
thoughtless
awareness, i.e. become one with God's power, and when
you are one
with the God's power, He looks after you. He takes care
of your
small things also. You will be amazed. It is worth
trying and after
that you will realize that what you were doing earlier
was wrong. So
once you are in thoughtlessness you will get all
inspirations, all
powers and everything."
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi (Nirmala Yoga, 1982)
"All that happens in the thoughtless state is
enlightened. Light
never talks. If you switch on the light in the room, the
light won't
speak or give you any ideas. It would just make
everything visible.
The same is true about the light of thoughtlessness.
First become
thoughtless and then doubtless. Then all your doubts go
and you know
that there is some power that works. It works very fast
and is all
subtle. You will be amazed how it happens. This is also
about time.
I never look at a watch. But my real watch is in the
thoughtlessness.
If you are thoughtless God takes you everywhere as if on
his hands.
He makes all arrangements. He knows everything and there
is no need
to tell him about anything. But you must see whether you
are in the
main stream or not. If you are not in it then you are
stuck up
somewhere on the bank; then the current comes and takes
you in twice
or thrice, but again you are on the bank. Then you say
'Mataji,
nothing goes smoothly for me'. It won't because you are
entangled."
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi (Nirmala Yoga, 1982)
"Because this mind, which is just a bubble as I told you
and is so
limited that it cannot comprehend the beauty, the glory,
and the
expanse of reality. This mind is just a collection of
all the
garbage we should say, which we have to somehow or other
deny and
tell ourselves that I have to go beyond my mind. This
so-called mind
of mine has done no good for me. This 'mind of mine
which has been
all the time controlling me is just like the watch we
have made and
which is controlling us or like the computer that
controls us. We
have to be careful that we are the ones who have created
this mind
and this mind has no business to control us.
Now, once your attention goes beyond the mind-only the
Sahaja Yogis
will understand this point very clearly. When this mind
goes beyond
the thoughts, then the manipulation of the attention is
very
important. Then whatever you manipulate means you take
this
attention to this or to that. You will be surprised how
dynamic you
become, how effective you become and how knowledgeable
you become. Because once you can take this attention to
anything you want, immediately there is light on that
issue, on that person, on that
problem and you see how it works out, how it helps."
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, 21.03.1996, Delhi |
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