"I ask you to consider that it may be time to stop openly fighting."
Dear Jagbir,
I understand your frustration that Shri Mataji has been very little
announced in Her greater form, as explained on your homepage. But I
noted twice recently that She was named as a Goddess on the
Sahajayoga.org news pages (SWAN). One of these items also calls Her
the Adi Shakti, surely a large step forward. Going back perhaps
three or four years there was even the official website
theworldsavior.org , which for a while mentioned in a quite simple
but open way that Shri Mataji was a divine person, who had
incarnated to save humanity. Later they cancelled that website and
made it the same as sahjayoga.org.
SWAN had this in 2006: "....the Realize America Tour culminated at
the feet of the Adi Shakti at Her home in Calabasas California"
------------------------------------------------
- Raksha Bandhan With The Goddess
On the auspicious occasion of Raksha Bandhan on the evening of
August 9, the Realize America Tour culminated at the feet of the Adi
Shakti at Her home in Calabasas California.
http://www.sahajayoga.org/swan/view/swan_543_2006.asp
------------------------------------------------
and this:
------------------------------------------------
- The Goddess Arrives in the City of Angels
The most auspicious occasion of Her Holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala
Devi arriving in Los Angeles occurred Thursday, the day of the Guru.
http://www.sahajayoga.org/swan/view/swan_536_2006.asp
------------------------------------------------
.
So, these were either 'mistakes' against policy made by both the
author of the report and the website controller or there has been a
slight shift in the level of 'clarity' which is allowed about Shri
Mataji's status. Slight yes, but significant.
Can you please explain what happened in June 2006? Perhaps I missed
something important. You wrote:
"They were finally compelled to completely disassociate themselves
from the organization in June 2006 when WCASY members, taking
advantage of an incapacitated 83-year-old Shri Mataji, openly
claimed and appointed themselves to be the sole representatives of
Her Will."
Did I miss some new public announcement about the authority of WCASY
or was it this next item you are referring to, relating events from
way back in 2005 and containing Sir CP's explanation of Shri
Mataji's wishes at that time:
http://www.sahajayoga.org/swan/view/swan_512_2006.asp
or was it something more private, in relation to yourself and family
that they had decided in June 2006?
Whatever may be the answer, I remember a key seminar in the UK at
Cheltenham and the talk on 31st July 1982. I recall that I was
present. Shri Mataji said:
"You have to dedicate yourself completely to me, not to Sahaja Yoga,
but to me. Sahaja Yoga is only one of my aspects. Leaving everything
you have to dedicate. Complete dedication - otherwise you cannot
ascend any further. Without questioning, without arguing. Complete
dedication is the only way you can achieve it."
Your website has no record of this talk or quotation, that I could
find, but it is extremely significant, for the world and for your
family. So WCASY is about the advancement of SY and that is perhaps
its entire scope and authority. I do not have, to hand, a copy of
their charter or any authorisation from Shri Mataji, which might
explain their role in more detail. But I suggest, like a lawyer
identifying a loophole in established legislation, that in relation
to Shri Mataji's other aspects, well...WCASY has no authority
there! Am I right or am I right? What aspects? A deep topic
certainly but here are some aspects and I cannot say clearly yet if
it is useful, in anything more than an academic sense, to consider
them in the context of the material above. Probably it is useful...
- Paramchaitanya (the cosmic mechanism of consciousness operating
the created universe and its evolution, within its own folds. SY and
WCASY are within that and are subservient to that)
- Mahamaya (the God and Goddess maintaining a distance from people
who do not deserve Her darshan - The Bible says 'do not cast pearls
before swine' and in the Bhagvat Gita Shri Krishna tells Arjuna
something like not to tell the full and subtlest of truths to those
who only know or deserve the part)
- Music (a universal discipline, well established in both secular
and religious fields and offering something to enrich human life and
consciousness)
- Kundalini (a core issue in SY but well beyond the control of SY.
People whose Kundalini is really established and active need no
higher authorisations for their actions. There was a New Year Puja
in Kalwe, Bombay, back in about '97 in which Shri Mataji said, in
broad terms, that previously people had needed to take Her
permission before starting major projects but now She was giving us
permission to go ahead with our plans without asking Her. Something
might also have been said that there was an implicit requirement
that those actions to be taken were auspicious. How to judge that?
Even checking vibrations many people can make mistakes. National
leaders have sometimes failed to discriminate when activity was
inauspicious. I said to myself that one might introduce a criterion,
whenever there was any doubt, of: "Would Mahatma Gandhi approve of
what you are doing?" Many of his decisions and opinions had
tradition as a basis and were supported by wisdom and were also
consistent with rationality.)
Perhaps there are people in SY who do not deserve the role of
announcing Shri Mataji or being part of the announcing process. Shri
Mataji often said that anybody might come to SY and some would be
completely useless and others very negative. This reference by me is
a bit rational and sounds just like an excuse to be 'out'.
Next point is very significant. Sheffield seminar 1985 in the UK:
Shri Mataji explained that if a person is not collective, they catch
on Sahastrar as well as Vishuddhi and the reason is that Shri
Mataji, in the Sahastrar, is the Collectivity of all the Deities. I
never heard or saw that same point being made before or after
Sheffield but the audio tape has recorded it.
There can be a difference of fundamental significance between the
issue of being physically in or out of the collective, as opposed to
the issue of being a person who, by temperament or nature, is
collective or uncollective. Collectivity is a state. This is a
delicate area and it may be dangerous for someone who is both
psychologically and physically outside the SY collective to believe
themselves as collective or even as more collective than those
inside. But it could sometimes be the truth. Good people and
incarnations have always been marginalised or opposed. William Blake
was consider to be a crazy or an unworthy person by many, while he
was alive. He wrote to a friend:
"...Yet I laugh & sing, for if on Earth neglected I am in heaven a
Prince among Princes, & even on Earth beloved by the Good as a Good
man."
He went on to write:
"...for as Man liveth not by bread alone, I shall live altho' I
should want bread- nothing is necessary to me but to do my duty & to
rejoice in the exceeding joy that is always poured out on my Spirit,
to pray that my friends & you above the rest may be partakers of the
joy that the world cannot conceive, that you may still be
replenish'd with the same & be as you always have been, a glorious &
triumphant Dweller in immortality."
Here, however, is the bottom line: If somebody is out of the
collective, because they are uncollective, then their Sahastrar will
not open properly and they have little authority to announce and
promote the Goddess of the Sahastrar. If they try, it is unlikely to
achieve much and they will most likely become lost in ego or super
ego or both, having very limited access to higher positions.
Vibrations will not support their activities. On a related issue,
there is a quote on the cover of an Indian Divine Cool Breeze
collection of Shri Mataji's talks, 1998:
"Be sure that you are telling the truth and nothing else and that
you have felt the truth in full ways. Those who have not felt the
vibrations should not talk of Sahaja Yoga. They have no authority.
They have to receive vibrations. They have to fully imbibe within
them and then they can say :"Yes, we felt." This is a very important
task Sahaja Yogis have to do in modern times, i.e. to tell aloud
that they have found the truth."
Superficial yogis always explain about the Sahastrar Chalkra, for
example in public programmes, that it is the integration of all the
other chakras. They miss the point that there is a higher role. The
Sahastrar chakra knows and indicates and actively supports truth and
its manifestation.
But, to change the subject, the Mahamaya issue is interesting. If
God's existence, about which there is still public debate and no
resolution, becomes public knowledge in some concrete sense and
according to some degree of proof or weight of evidence, then it
takes away much of the illusory sense that human's have of
possessing free will. Have you watched the MATRIX movies? Maybe Shri
Mataji is not ready for that to happen, for the illusion to pass
away. I have often been frustrated that SY looked on the outside
just like a chakra cleansing cult but I took this view - I could see
that many national and international leaders had some skill in
addressing and controlling large groups of yogis, and many were well
established financially and thus able to travel, but they had no
apparent interest or habit to communicate outside SY. I formed an
opinion, quite often, that Shri Mataji used such people, whose
communication or collective skills were really only there on a
superficial level, to maintain a necessary stability.
So, time to draw a conclusion. First the Goddess and Adi Shakti
announcement. Then the talk about 'SY is only one of my aspects'
which might come as a surprise for you. Then the Sheffield seminar
talk and the issue of what the Sahastrar chakra will tolerate. I ask
you to consider that it may be time to stop openly fighting the
organisation of SY. Perhaps that is not worthy of your time or
perhaps you don't have the Divine authority or the truth may lie
somewhere between. In the full context, the role of the WCASY may be
smaller than it thinks.
I am not going to judge you on the basis of a website or your words
there. I do think that you should continue but with a change of
attitude or outer presentation. ...
I trust that my message above is more reliable for the benefit of
that Darshan.
Kind Regards,
Xxxxxx
--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, Calin Martin
Dear Xxxxx,
you imply that WCASY tried to present Shri Mataji as
a divine personality. But calling Her Adi Shakti on
the website, makes little relevance for people with
Christian or Muslim background. They simply do not
know what it means. Also writing "Goddess" on the
website is not going to bring much. The roman and greek
mythologies are full of "Goddesses". Do you know how
many websites about gurus pretending they are the Adi
Shakti exists?
Don't you think that "Last Judgment" and
"Resurrection" have by far a better and wider impact?
But of course, to declare that we are living this
great times, one needs to have knowledge and faith in
what you say. It seems that WCASY and the leaders of
SY have neither knowledge nor faith. Otherwise why are
they brave only during pujas, seminars etc, and run
away when openly declaring what they believe in
private?
The "come and take Realisation" procedure of the
leaders has failed and of course they noticed that,
but they won't change it because they either don't
have the faith in declaring SM's advent or their ego
is too high to admit they had so sadly mistaken.
You ask Jagbir "to stop openly fighting". What would
you do instead? Continue the endless seminars about
treatments, Kundalini awakening (which people not
coming from Hindu culture have no idea what it is),
Indian music. We have seen that this is not going to
bring anything.
best regards
Calin Martin
--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, "jagbir singh"
>
> Dear Jagbir,
>
> I understand your frustration that Shri Mataji has been very little
> announced in Her greater form, as explained on your homepage. But I
> noted twice recently that She was named as a Goddess on the
> Sahajayoga.org news pages (SWAN). One of these items also calls
> Her the Adi Shakti, surely a large step forward. Going back perhaps
> three or four years there was even the official website
> theworldsavior.org , which for a while mentioned in a quite simple
> but open way that Shri Mataji was a divine person, who had
> incarnated to save humanity. Later they cancelled that website and
> made it the same as sahjayoga.org.
>
> SWAN had this in 2006: "....the Realize America Tour culminated at
> the feet of the Adi Shakti at Her home in Calabasas California"
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> - Raksha Bandhan With The Goddess
>
> On the auspicious occasion of Raksha Bandhan on the evening of
> August 9, the Realize America Tour culminated at the feet of the
> Adi Shakti at Her home in Calabasas California.
> http://www.sahajayoga.org/swan/view/swan_543_2006.asp
> ------------------------------------------------
> .
> and this:
> .
> ------------------------------------------------
> - The Goddess Arrives in the City of Angels
>
> The most auspicious occasion of Her Holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala
> Devi arriving in Los Angeles occurred Thursday, the day of the
> Guru.
>
> http://www.sahajayoga.org/swan/view/swan_536_2006.asp
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> So, these were either 'mistakes' against policy made by both the
> author of the report and the website controller or there has been a
> slight shift in the level of 'clarity' which is allowed about Shri
> Mataji's status. Slight yes, but significant.
>
We must realize that SWAN is mainly for Sahaja Yoga announcements like pujas,
programs, book releases etc. Non-SYs do not visit SWAN. So it hardly makes any
difference or qualify as a shift in the level of 'clarity'. As you said "Going
back perhaps three or four years there was even the official website
theworldsavior.org, which for a while mentioned in a quite simple but open way
that Shri Mataji was a divine person, who had incarnated to save humanity." Now
even this has been removed and have regressed since. They just do not have what
it takes to do what Shri Mataji wanted done since the 1980s.
>
> Can you please explain what happened in June 2006? Perhaps I
> missed something important. You wrote:
>
> "They were finally compelled to completely disassociate themselves
> from the organization in June 2006 when WCASY members, taking
> advantage of an incapacitated 83-year-old Shri Mataji, openly
> claimed and appointed themselves to be the sole representatives of
> Her Will."
>
> Did I miss some new public announcement about the authority of
> WCASY or was it this next item you are referring to, relating
> events from way back in 2005 and containing Sir CP's explanation
> of Shri Mataji's wishes at that time:
>
> http://www.sahajayoga.org/swan/view/swan_512_2006.asp
>
> or was it something more private, in relation to yourself and
> family that they had decided in June 2006?
>
In www.adishakti.org i write in the third person. Perhaps that caused some
confusion.
The day i realized that Sir CP wants SYs to believe that WCASY represents the
Will of the Adi Shakti i decided to completely disassociate from the Sahaja Yoga
organization. As a family we do not want to participate or empower in any way a
group of humans who have the temerity and ignorance to believe they can be
representatives of the Adi Shakti's Will. Till today i still cannot find the
words to describe this blasphemy. Maybe it's time SYs understand what
"blasphemy" means:
Main Entry: blas•phe•my
Pronunciation: 'blas-f&-mE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -mies
1 a : the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God b :
the act of claiming the attributes of deity
2 : irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable
www.webster.com/dictionary/blasphemy
>
> Whatever may be the answer, I remember a key seminar in the UK at
> Cheltenham and the talk on 31st July 1982. I recall that I was
> present. Shri Mataji said:
>
> "You have to dedicate yourself completely to me, not to Sahaja
> Yoga, but to me. Sahaja Yoga is only one of my aspects. Leaving
> everything you have to dedicate. Complete dedication - otherwise
> you cannot ascend any further. Without questioning, without
> arguing. Complete dedication is the only way you can achieve it."
>
This quote only gives added weight as to what i am trying to denounce about the
celebrated hijacking of Her Will by WCASY. By complete dedication Shri Mataji is
also implying that we obey and carry out Her instructions unconditionally
.............. and that includes declaring Her advent and Divine Message to
humanity. So how come those who claim to represent Her Will do not have the will
to do Her Will? Was there a loss of cerebral data during what is now touted by
WCASY as the historic transfer of Her Will?
>
> Your website has no record of this talk or quotation, that I could
> find, but it is extremely significant, for the world and for your
> family.
>
Yes, i still have to put this very important quote. i will do so at the proper
place and time.
>
> So WCASY is about the advancement of SY and that is perhaps its
> entire scope and authority. I do not have, to hand, a copy of
> their charter or any authorisation from Shri Mataji, which might
> explain their role in more detail. But I suggest, like a lawyer
> identifying a loophole in established legislation, that in relation
> to Shri Mataji's other aspects, well...WCASY has no authority
> there! Am I right or am I right? What aspects?
>
This is what Shri Mataji said when WCASY was formed 14th June, 2004:
WORLD COUNCIL FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF SAHAJA YOGA
In addition to those already appointed, Bohdan Shehovych is designated as a
World Leader and Member of the Council.
Gagan Ahluwalia, Paul Ellis, Alan Wherry and Alan Pereira, formerly appointed as
Advisors, are hereby designated as World Leaders and Members of the Council.
Alan Pereira will function as Member-Secretary of the Council.
The World Council will be a perpetual body for providing inspiring and elevating
guidance to SAHAJA YOGIS and YOGINIS throughout the world with a view,
primarily, to creating complete ONENESS among them all. The World Council will
further promote a deeper and an ever-widening perennial message of SAHAJA YOGA
in all parts of the world. The World Council may suggest specific programmes for
this purpose.
The composition of the World Council will be reviewed by me from time to time,
as necessary.
An updated list of the World Leaders and Members of the WORLD COUNCIL is
annexed.
SHRI MATAJI NIRMALA DEVI
14th June, 2004
Till date WCASY has neither the will, direction nor knowledge to "promote a
deeper and an ever-widening perennial message of SAHAJA YOGA in all parts of the
world." Despite all the hype it is common knowledge that few seekers ever stay,
and growth has stagnated in Europe and North America. Moreover, there are many
countries where Sahaja Yoga is non-existent. i did that infamous calculation
that at present rate of progress 1% of the world will know about Sahaja Yoga by
the year 8023 AD! And by "Sahaja Yoga" i mean much more than the official
self-realization/subtle system public 'pretendtation'.
Although Shri Mataji mentioned that the "World Council may suggest specific
programmes for this purpose" it continues to keep seekers in the dark by
ignoring irrefutable evidence of Her advent and Divine Message as
www.adishakti.org. This website records what Shri Mataji told SYs in Australia
in 1994 as a great blessing to mankind that would confirm Her incarnation.
Shri Mataji told of a great blessing to mankind that would confirm Her
On the contrary, certain council members have begun an insidious campaign to
discredit it.
Alan Wherry was the first council member to violate the pledge "to creating
complete ONENESS among them all" by initiating a campaign to discredit/denounce
all the work i have done to promote Shri Mataji as the Adi Shakti and announce
Her Divine Message to humanity. In the process he recruited the help of Viktor
Bondar, John Noyce and others to ensure SYs do not have any links to the
www.adishakti.org website. i present evidence of council member Viktor Bondar
asking Yura to read Alan's email and remove the links:
From: Viktor Bondar
To: "Yura" < inspired@inspired.kiev.ua>
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:23:59 +0200
Subject: Fw: Hi Viktor
__________________________________________
Джей Шри Матаджи!
Юра, я получил вот такое сообщение от Алана Вери. Что скажешь?
С уважением,
Виктор
John Noyce of Australia has been keeping a close eye on the
activities of the owner of www.adishakti.org, who used to be in SY
but clearly isn't a Sahaja Yogi now, and is openly critical of all
Sahaja leadership, including, at times Shri Mataji Herself.
He is somewhat eccentric and for example, advocates not using a
photo of Mother when meditating, not footsoaking etc. The owner of
this site, one Jagbir Singh of Canada is on a crusade to spread his
own eccentric, supraconscious view of what Sahaja Yoga is, and
where possible we should advise people not to go there - although
of course, individuals are free to do what they like.
John tells me that the web site http://inspired.kiev.ua/about/
links to www.adishakti.org
Obviously, I don't know the owner of that web site, Yuriy Linnyk,
whether he is Sahaj or not, but in the event that he is known to
you, is it possible that you might prevail upon him to remove the
link as it contains much erroneous and inaccurate information.
Yuriy lists adishakti.org before the official Sahaj Yoga website.
Much love and best wishes
Alan
Jai Shri Mataji
>
> A deep topic certainly but here are some aspects and I cannot say
> clearly yet if it is useful, in anything more than an academic
> sense, to consider them in the context of the material above.
> Probably it is useful...
>
> - Paramchaitanya (the cosmic mechanism of consciousness operating
> the created universe and its evolution, within its own folds. SY
> and WCASY are within that and are subservient to that)
>
> - Mahamaya (the God and Goddess maintaining a distance from
> people who do not deserve Her darshan - The Bible says 'do
> not cast pearls before swine' and in the Bhagvat Gita Shri
> Krishna tells Arjuna something like not to tell the full
> and subtlest of truths to those who only know or deserve the part)
>
> - Music (a universal discipline, well established in both secular
> and religious fields and offering something to enrich human life
> and consciousness)
>
> - Kundalini (a core issue in SY but well beyond the control of SY.
> People whose Kundalini is really established and active need no
> higher authorisations for their actions. There was a New Year Puja
> in Kalwe, Bombay, back in about '97 in which Shri Mataji said, in
> broad terms, that previously people had needed to take Her
> permission before starting major projects but now She was giving us
> permission to go ahead with our plans without asking Her. Something
> might also have been said that there was an implicit requirement
> that those actions to be taken were auspicious. How to judge that?
> Even checking vibrations many people can make mistakes. National
> leaders have sometimes failed to discriminate when activity was
> inauspicious. I said to myself that one might introduce a
> criterion, whenever there was any doubt, of: "Would Mahatma
> Gandhi approve of what you are doing?" Many of his decisions and
> opinions had tradition as a basis and were supported by wisdom and
> were also consistent with rationality.)
>
i have to agree on your observations.
>
> Perhaps there are people in SY who do not deserve the role of
> announcing Shri Mataji or being part of the announcing process.
> Shri Mataji often said that anybody might come to SY and some
> would be completely useless and others very negative. This
> reference by me is a bit rational and sounds just like an excuse
> to be 'out'.
>
If the SY leadership does not deserve the role then it should refrain from
preventing those who can.
>
> Next point is very significant. Sheffield seminar 1985 in the UK:
> Shri Mataji explained that if a person is not collective, they
> catch on Sahastrar as well as Vishuddhi and the reason is that Shri
> Mataji, in the Sahastrar, is the Collectivity of all the Deities. I
> never heard or saw that same point being made before or after
> Sheffield but the audio tape has recorded it.
>
There is a difference between local collective consciousness and Collective
Consciousness. Many SYs have yet to understand/attain the later, and are happy
in their local collectives. Collective Consciousness requires far more than
subtle system knowledge.
>
> There can be a difference of fundamental significance between the
> issue of being physically in or out of the collective, as opposed
> to the issue of being a person who, by temperament or nature, is
> collective or uncollective. Collectivity is a state. This is a
> delicate area and it may be dangerous for someone who is both
> psychologically and physically outside the SY collective to believe
> themselves as collective or even as more collective than those
> inside. But it could sometimes be the truth. Good people and
> incarnations have always been marginalised or opposed. William
> Blake was consider to be a crazy or an unworthy person by many,
> while he was alive.
>
The SY collectivity is a small group of people whose consciousness is mainly
about the subtle system, catches and cures. Collective Consciousness is about
humanity receiving the knowledge and faith to evolve into the eternal spirit as
they meditate on the Shakti (Holy Spirit/Ruh) within during the Last Judgment
and Resurrection. The far superior Collective Consciousness has little to do
with the ceaseless chatter of catches and cures of SY collectives and
consciousness.
>
> He wrote to a friend:
>
> "...Yet I laugh & sing, for if on Earth neglected I am in heaven a
> Prince among Princes, & even on Earth beloved by the Good as a Good
> man."
>
> He went on to write:
>
> "...for as Man liveth not by bread alone, I shall live altho' I
> should want bread- nothing is necessary to me but to do my duty &
> to rejoice in the exceeding joy that is always poured out on my
> Spirit, to pray that my friends & you above the rest may be
> partakers of the joy that the world cannot conceive, that you may
> still be replenish'd with the same & be as you always have been, a
> glorious & triumphant Dweller in immortality."
>
Yes, nothing is necessary to me but to do my duty & to rejoice in the exceeding
joy that is always poured out on my Spirit.
>
> Here, however, is the bottom line: If somebody is out of the
> collective, because they are uncollective, then their Sahastrar
> will not open properly and they have little authority to announce
> and promote the Goddess of the Sahastrar. If they try, it is
> unlikely to achieve much and they will most likely become lost in
> ego or super ego or both, having very limited access to higher
> positions. Vibrations will not support their activities.
>
David Frawley, an expert on Hindu philosophy and religion, comments
on Dharma as follows:
A universal tradition has room for all faiths and all religious and
spiritual practices regardless of the time or country of their
origin. Yet it places religious and spiritual teachings in their
appropriate place relative to the ultimate goal of Self-realization,
to which secondary practices are subordinated. Sanatan Dharma also
recognizes that the greater portion of human religious aspirations
has always been unknown, undefined and outside of any
institutionalized belief. Sanatan Dharma thereby gives reverence to
individual spiritual experience over any formal religious doctrine.
Wherever the Universal Truth is manifest; there is Sanatan Dharma—
whether it is in a field of religion, art or science, or in the life
of a person or community. Wherever the Universal Truth is not
recognized, or is scaled down or limited to a particular group, book
or person, even if done so in the name of God, there Sanatan Dharma
ceases to function, whatever the activity is called."
Dharma (Wikipedia)
Note: In case WCASY, SY leadership and followers of the Sahaja Yoga
Subtle System Religion miss the point here it it: "Wherever the
Universal Truth is not recognized, or is scaled down or limited to a
particular group, book or person, even if done so in the name of
God, there Sanatan Dharma ceases to function, whatever the activity
is called."
>
> On a related issue, there is a quote on the cover of an Indian
> Divine Cool Breeze collection of Shri Mataji's talks, 1998:
>
> "Be sure that you are telling the truth and nothing else and that
> you have felt the truth in full ways. Those who have not felt the
> vibrations should not talk of Sahaja Yoga. They have no authority.
> They have to receive vibrations. They have to fully imbibe within
> them and then they can say :"Yes, we felt." This is a very
> important task Sahaja Yogis have to do in modern times, i.e. to
> tell aloud that they have found the truth."
>
"Today, Sahaja Yoga has reached the state of Mahayoga, which is en-masse
evolution manifested through it. It is this day's Yuga Dharma. It is the way the
Last Judgment is taking place. Announce it to all the seekers of truth, to all
the nations of the world, so that nobody misses the blessings of the Divine to
achieve their meaning, their absolute, their spirit."
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
"The main thing that one has to understand is that the time has come for you to
get all that is promised in the scriptures, not only in the Bible but all the
scriptures of the world. The time has come today that you have to become a
Christian, a Brahmin, a Pir, through your Kundalini awakening only. There is no
other way. And that your Last Judgment is also now."
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
"Of course there are some absurd things which grew with misinterpretation and
interference from unholy people, which are common in these religions. For
example, Jews, Christian and Muslims believe that when they die their bodies
will come out of their graves and they will all be resurrected at the Time of
Resurrection, at the Time of Last Judgment, at the Time of Qiyamah. It is
illogical to think what will remain inside those graves after five hundred
years. Nobody wants to think and understand that it is not the body but the soul
that will come out of these bodies, be born again as human beings and be saved
through Qiyamah and Resurrection."
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
"The Indian sage, who may be called the pioneer in this field, was the first
great astrologer Bhrigumuni. In his book Nadi Granth, he made clear predictions
about these Modern Times. He also specifically predicted how the Kundalini would
be awakened spontaneously through Sahaja Yoga, that is, spontaneous union with
the Divine, and become the means of both individual and collective
transformation on a large scale, through teaching incarnation of a great Yogi.
This Yogi would be an unparalleled master of the Kundalini and would teach all
the people the ancients secrets of self-transformation. These are the times
described in the Holy Bible as the Last Judgment and in the Koran as Qiyamah —
the Resurrection Time. Astrologically it also called the Age of Aquarius, the
Time of Rebirth and of great spiritual development on the Earth."
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
"In between Jesus Christ and His destroying incarnation of Mahavishnu called as
Kalki there is a time given to human beings to rectify themselves; for them to
enter into the Kingdom of God which in the Bible is called as Last Judgment —
that you will be judged, all of you, will be judged on this Earth... This is the
most important times because Sahaja Yoga is the Last Judgment. It is fantastic
to hear this but that's the fact it is the Truth."
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
>
> Superficial yogis always explain about the Sahastrar Chalkra, for
> example in public programmes, that it is the integration of all the
> other chakras. They miss the point that there is a higher role. The
> Sahastrar chakra knows and indicates and actively supports truth
> and its manifestation.
>
"Wherever the Universal Truth is not recognized, or is scaled down or limited to
a particular group, book or person, even if done so in the name of God, there
Sanatan Dharma ceases to function, whatever the activity is called."
> But, to change the subject, the Mahamaya issue is interesting. If
> God's existence, about which there is still public debate and no
> resolution, becomes public knowledge in some concrete sense and
> according to some degree of proof or weight of evidence, then it
> takes away much of the illusory sense that human's have of
> possessing free will. Have you watched the MATRIX movies? Maybe
> Shri Mataji is not ready for that to happen, for the illusion to
> pass away. I have often been frustrated that SY looked on the
> outside just like a chakra cleansing cult but I took this view - I
> could see that many national and international leaders had some
> skill in addressing and controlling large groups of yogis, and
> many were well established financially and thus able to travel,
> but they had no apparent interest or habit to communicate outside
> SY. I formed an opinion, quite often, that Shri Mataji used such
> people, whose communication or collective skills were really only
> there on a superficial level, to maintain a necessary stability.
>
i agree with all you have written.
>
> So, time to draw a conclusion. First the Goddess and Adi Shakti
> announcement. Then the talk about 'SY is only one of my aspects'
> which might come as a surprise for you. Then the Sheffield seminar
> talk and the issue of what the Sahastrar chakra will tolerate. I
> ask you to consider that it may be time to stop openly fighting the
> organisation of SY. Perhaps that is not worthy of your time or
> perhaps you don't have the Divine authority or the truth may lie
> somewhere between. In the full context, the role of the WCASY may
> be smaller than it thinks.
>
i have presented evidence of WCASY members actively undermining the very
evidence needed to confirm Shri Mataji's incarnation and Message. This
Inquisytion started with ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan and continues till today.
i kept quiet for years thinking that my witnessing will solve the problems. That
only emboldened the perpetrators who took it as a sign of weakness. Now i have
no choice but to destroy this satanic negativity.
From: Jagbir Singh
To: Yura
Date: Apr 29, 2006 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: How can we throw off the dominion of the priestly dark powers and
walk in Light?
Dear Yura,
Viktor Bondar is a murmuring soul if he calls me a "possessed false guru". Alan
Wherry and John Noyce are just the same since they are using others like VB to
destroy Shri Mataji's Divine Message by their actions. VB is just following such
people like a sheep. Does he not have the brains or vibrations to know the
truth?
Anyway it is me who has stated the facts and i have every intention to stand on
my statement. If they want to take any action then it will be against me. i am
not a person who is easily intimidated. i have such negativity against me for
more then a decade. i have decided to stand up and fight it tooth and nail.
They are trying to make you remove the link to www.adishakti.org website, a site
that Shri Mataji is happy about and has approved it. This fact comes from
someone who is close to Shri Mataji and has personally heard it. Who then is
Victor Bondar to tell you not to link? Why did he call me a "possessed false
guru" to influence you to do so? They have 99% of SYs on their side. If the
remaining 1% goes then there will be no Divine Message. Yura, have you got any
idea how high the stakes are to resist them so that Shri Mataji's Message and
Vision is sustained. Introspect deeply and ask yourself if your duty and
allegiance is to Shri Mataji, Ganesha, Krishna, Jesus or to the likes of Viktor
Bondar, Alan Wherry and John Noyce. i doubt you will have any problem making a
decision.
Jai Shri Mataji,
jagbir
>
> I am not going to judge you on the basis of a website or your words
> there. I do think that you should continue but with a change of
> attitude or outer presentation. ...
>
> I trust that my message above is more reliable for the benefit of
> that Darshan.
>
i thank you for giving me this opportunity to clarify issues that affect all of
us. Any dialogue and knowledge only empowers all of us to be our own masters.
Only then is it possible to obey the Adi Shakti's instructions:
"You have to dedicate yourself completely to me, not to Sahaja Yoga, but to me.
Sahaja Yoga is only one of my aspects. Leaving everything you have to dedicate.
Complete dedication - otherwise you cannot ascend any further. Without
questioning, without arguing. Complete dedication is the only way you can
achieve it."
by seeking and meditating on Her within. So dedicate yourself completely to Shri
Mataji and Her Message to emancipate humanity.
jagbir
--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, "Violet"
Dear Jagbir and All,
This is an interesting discussion and insightful from all sides. One thing i
would like to say is that when Shri Mataji signed the documents that gave WCASY
control of Her properties, monies, and videotapes... that this in no way negated
all She taught and said for the last 30 years or so... prior to that signing.
What are some of these things that She has said over all these years then?
She has said that She hoped nobody would try and organise/edit Her Truths that
She gave. She said we are all to become our own masters, gurus, and teachers.
She asked us to proclaim Her Message of the Resurrection. She told that no
Groupism was to take over SYs. She taught us to love each other as She loved us.
She taught us to stand up for the Truth "just like Arjuna". (We on this forum
can appreciate that one very well actually.)
So... all these things She taught that have not been negated by Her signing
those documents. However, "if" any of those things have somehow been negated by
the signing of the documents, then we can know that the Dharma has been
breached.
i would just like to restate the above:
Signing those documents does not mean that now we can organise/edit what She
said. Signing those documents does not mean we do not have to be our own
masters, gurus, and teachers anymore. Signing those documents did not give our
individual will to WCASY. Signing those documents does not mean we no longer
have to give Her Message and proclaim Her Identity. Signing those documents does
not mean a Sahaja Yoga Group can dominate us now. Signing those documents does
not mean we do not have to stand on the Truth/Dharma now... even if it goes
against 'family members'.
Another point that needs considering is that the main reason for the signing of
the documents was all about the spiritual stewardship of the properties, monies,
and videotapes. Shri Mataji often expressed Her concern about that to us SYs...
but She repeatedly expressed "even greater concern" that then this group of SYs
would probably also feel that they could be in charge of SYs too. Therefore, She
ended up not organising this. It ended up that others had to organise this, in
order to tie up the loose ends.
Indeed... i never understood the great WCASY excitement that accompanied what
was essentially a legal procedure. Why... you would have thought that they had
won the lottery or something like that!
i just wish they were that excited about giving Her Message and Identity to the
world too.
violet
--- In adishakti_sahaja_yoga@yahoogroups.com, "Violet"
"It is so comforting to support the Truth and nourish mind, body and
soul with a clear conscience. Try it and see how you will progress."
Dear Jagbir,
i agree wholeheartedly that it is so comforting to support the Truth and nourish
mind, body and soul with a clear conscience. i feel the loss of the physical
collective at times... especially when i just looked at the photographs of the
most beautifully renovated Burwood Ashram in Sydney, where i spent many
beautiful times with brothers and sisters.
However, i could never live with myself... with my conscience if i did not
speak/support the Truth. i feel compelled to do so, even if it goes against
Sahaja Yoga Politics. i understand that there is politics in every organisation,
however Sahaja Yoga is a Movement of Love that is supposed to uphold the HIGHEST
TRUTH at a time when there is much untruth in the world today.
Shri Mataji talked about TRUTH IN POLITICS. Truth is Truth and if the Truth is
just followed that is all that is needed. Truth is also above Politics. Even if
the Politics comes from SY leaders, it is not above Truth and never can be above
Truth. If by standing up for the Truth, it slightly ruffles the feathers of SY
Politicians, then that is the price they pay for not UPHOLDING THE TRUTH, but
suppressing the Truth. (We have evidence that SY Politicians are not upholding
the Truth but are actively suppressing the Truth.)
So... i (you) have to make the decision. Am i going to stand up for TRUTH IN
POLITICS... or not?
If there is not TRUTH IN POLITICS, and a person considers that TRUTH is above
POLITICS... as Jagbir has done... then he has to fight that from within or
without the Political Arena. He fought it within the arena surrounded by the SY
Politicians, but the numbers were against him, and those who were not against
him were subsequently lobbied to go against him. That is politics my dears...
not spirituality... i have to inform!
This does not mean that SY Collectives are not a great place where seekers can
come and have their self-realisation and get the subtle system knowledge and
learn that Shri Mataji is the Adi Shakti. This does not mean that being in the
collective is not a wonderful experience... because it is. But Truth comes over
Politics. That is the point, and when SY Elites play the Game of Politics and it
takes over the Truth, then the "Truth-Sayers" have to Say The Truth!
To not stand up for the Truth and act according to one's innermost conscience,
however, is a dereliction of duty to one's Spirit and
to the Adi Shakti (Holy Spirit) within. If a person loses their
physical collective and the beautiful surroundings due to going against a
political stance of a religious politician... then so be it. That is just the
price they have to pay. That does not mean that they willingly leave the
collective, but that is the price for going against the prevailing politicians,
who make life difficult and not nice if you don't agree with their political
opinion and consider you as an enemy of their political stance.
In a Movement of Love, which Sahaja Yoga is... politics must not take over from
the Truth. i am sure one day many SYs will appreciate that others sacrificed
collective togetherness in order to uphold Truth. The (unnamed) young student is
appreciating it. Kyyan appreciated it. Chuck appreciated it. i have appreciated
also that Jagbir has stood up for Truth in the Politics of SY.
violet
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