"i have always felt like sri mataji never taught what they are doing"

Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:34 PM

hi my name is Xxxxxxxxxx i've been practicing sahaja yoga off+on since about 1985 have been very frustrated doubtful + confused a lot of the time with conditions put upon me pressures etc. have felt very isolated in this .i've had some amazing experiences also.i am at very low point in my life right now .there are people in this city right now [ the group] i just can't understand what they are trying to do .i was going to puja's chanting deities over and over made me very sick [and the money basket]that outraged me .i was about to quit altogether but i have always felt like sri mataji never taught what they are doing .but it helped me when i read that she is bound to what they want i alway's felt that if they asked for something she would let them do it .i was so disappointed when it became a "religion"and the rules etc.

i don't want to be angry anymore i don't want to be lonely any more any i don't want to be part of a cult i just want to meditate with other people [and what about s.y. marriages i never felt comfortable with that]

any suggestions or comment would be very much appreciated
thank you

Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:49 AM

Hi Xxxxxxxxxx,

Can i put your mail, minus your identity etc., on a forum where it can be answered by like-minded people who feel the same way as you? i prefer this approach as it helps others to learn how to cope with the serious problems. Thanks.

regards,

jagbir

Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:08 AM

yes please. but no name PLEASE/word gets around i think you know what i mean/wayward sy and the shuning etc./again please leave my name blank.

Xxxxxxxxxx

Hi Xxxxxxxxxx,

Welcome to our forum family.

i will copy & paste what you said and respond to it:

> hi my name is Xxxxxxxxxx i've been practicing sahaja yoga off+on
> since about 1985 have been very frustrated doubtful + confused a
> lot of the time with conditions put upon me pressures etc. have felt
> very isolated in this.

It would be good to get more information so we can help you better. Could you perhaps list what kind of pressures you are experiencing? It really does help if you list them separately, as this lessens the confusion of having them all bundled into one big pressure, if you know what i mean. Does your Spirit disagree with the nature of these pressures? Is that perhaps why you are feeling isolated, as others don't seem to feel the same as you?

> i've had some amazing experiences also.

It would be appreciated if you could share some of these experiences with us.

> i am at very low point in my life right now.

That's why i think it would help if you share your "amazing experiences" with us. It would help to lift your Spirits, as well as bring joy to others.

> there are people in this city right now [the group] i just can't
> understand what they are trying to do.

In case you are doubting yourself on this point, it may assure you to know that we are hearing the same thing from others. So - you are not imagining this.

> i was going to puja's chanting deities over and over made me very
> sick [and the money basket] that outraged me.

You are having pressures and their resultant confusion, frustration and loneliness on the one hand and puja (with a money basket outraging you) on the other hand; this is making you sick. Is this money basket different to the traditional money offering given at puja, for Shri Mataji to bless, with regard to people's Lakshmi qualities?

> i was about to quit altogether but i have always felt like sri
> mataji never taught what they are doing .but it helped me when i
> read that she is bound to what they want i alway's felt that if
> they asked for something she would let them do it .i was so
> disappointed when it became a "religion"and the rules etc.

The SYs that have made a religion out of Shri Mataji's teachings, have not understood Sahaja Yoga. i heard Shri Mataji warn SYs at Sydney Airport in the mid-1990s, "not to make a religion out of Sahaja Yoga" - but they have not listened to Her and now run the organisation on lines, different, from Shri Mataji's pure teachings of truth. Thus, they have destroyed the organisation of Sahaja Yoga as She created it. i suggest that's probably why you are feeling pressures, as the enlightened Spirit within knows when something is wrong. But though the organisation has been corrupted/destroyed, the connecting line of love between 'real yogis' has not been destroyed. That fact should comfort you that we are here - and going strong!

> i don't want to be angry anymore i don't want to be lonely any more
> any [and] i don't want to be part of a cult i just want to meditate
> with other people

The pure teachings of truth of Shri Mataji have been turned into a "Sahaja Yoga Subtle System Religion" that can't be supported by conscientious yogis. The SYSSR has turned Shri Mataji's teachings of truth into a 'wishy-washy' sham - and Shri Mataji described this religion very well, here:

"Like in the family, you go, you get everything from the fridge and give it to them, they'll be very happy to take it whatever you like, what a spread. But if you put one little fish and two eggs for ten people with one chili to say that it is Sahaja Yoga, maybe a lemon, they will think, "What's this going on here? Wishy-washy stuff."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Sheffield, UK, September 21 1985

> [and what about s.y. marriages i never felt comfortable with that]

It wasn't Shri Mataji's idea in the first place. In the first place, Shri Mataji said that Sahaja Yoga was for one's spiritual ascent - not to find a marriage partner. But SY's pressured Shri Mataji on that account, to get married in SY. So, this is a cultural thing and nothing to do with one's spiritual ascent. Eventually, i noticed that if a person 'got married in SY' it became a sort of a status symbol, which perhaps socially pressured some people into arranged marriages they were not ready for. But like in the beginning, it is/was equally fine to find one's marriage partner from outside of SY.

regards,

violet

Re: "i have always felt like sri mataji never taught what they are doing"

gill7799
to violettubb
date Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:45 AM
subject meditation

thank you so much this is very helpful.the pressures were to go to out of town meetings and to have a pre arranged marriage.i will say that i'm a hyper sensitive person so maybe i overreact.it seems to be more of a feeling of being pressured .in the early days someone suggested i move to another location and that i must surrender completely or leave the movement[mother said][at that time my work was here]{apparently the person was being miss led by a bad leader who was eventually asked to step down}. i have forgiven him he is a friend of mine[not the leader] .but that caused me a lot of confusion and grief for a long time {years} and it's funny i never really got an apology[it was kind of unspoken and i worry about him you know the guilt he's a good guy].it's always just felt like i should follow a script.the amazing experiences i've had are oneness with nature like i never had before . snowballs of cool breezes in my hands and dripping spiritual rain around me . just mentioning sri maji's name to a couple and having them call me up soon after and asking me what is this" wonder feeling"and how to keep it much much more much blessing on my gift of music.i hate criticizing but it just seems like they are overly concerned with doing every thing a certain way.i feel bad in away because they are trying to get the message out there and i'm not really consciously trying to do that .the money basket i imagine is the Lakshmi offering you mentioned

i personally have never felt that money should have anything to do with spirituality thats one of the reasons i was drawn to sahaja yoga in the first place .the puja's were very hard for me [i was raised in the catholic church] and it seem so ritualistic to me. sit up sit down and always ending with the same songs i really did become so left sided it hurt my health .i just don't understand and i have even tried to express myself and tell them but i always end up looking like the bad guy. i have to say the radio station upsets me too being a musician. it seems so commercial and when they talk of sri mataji best selling book i mean whats going on? one thing that upsets me the most is an unconcern for how a person is doing if one is having difficult time or not and for some reason there is no working on each other .

i wish they were more into the subtle system because if ones chakra's are not right then how can one have the full experience it seems to me they are far too focused on the deities. this is very difficult to express i certainly am not perfect by any means and am concerned about my own agya .there must be a balance somewhere i could go on+on. i always end up thinking 'what would budda think' 'forgive them lord for they know not what they do'

thank you again

Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:52 pm

Hi gill

I would also like to welcome you on this forum which has been such a great help and support for me, like many others, in these troubled years. What's amazing and proves (if need be !!) the authenticity of our experiences and understandings is that this forum created by Jagbir, has gathered over the years SYogis from around the world, who all had similar "problems" with the collectives and who, without knowing each other came to similar conclusions, (i.e : "i have always felt like sri mataji never taught what they are doing", the "pressures", the confusion because our inner spiritual experiences disagree with what we lived in the "collectivity"...)

I am French, I live in France and my experiences in the Paris collective sound so much like the ones you had in America. I also grieved and felt guilty for many years because I doubted so much and lacked confidence in myself : How could so few of us in the Paris collective see what was really happening ? (Money corruption, "worshipping" of the leaders, ritualism, focus on negativity, bhoots, over-cleansing of chakras, pressures about the marriages, etc...)

What was going on in the collective seemed (to me), to go against the very teachings of Shri Mataji, and against my inner experiences.

When I joined SY (in 93) I had amazing dreams and visions and I thought we could all have this sort of spiritual experiences in SY : but I discovered some other SYogis were jealous, and instead of sharing, I became more and more estranged. I was married to a "non-yogi" and this, in the eyes of my "brothers and sisters" increased my "bhootishness".

I couldn't talk to or get near the leader of the time because I was feeling very bad pains in his presence, and when I inquired about it to others, they wondered how I could doubt his "saintliness"; it was obvious to them that I was "bhootish" and being cleansed in his presence !! As a matter of fact, I never quite felt the same "vibrations" as the others : I would not necessarily feel something was negative when the others did.

All the ones who expressed their doubts about what was going on in the collectives got expelled, shoe-beated, burnt in havans, etc.. It was just like the Inquisition.

I stayed for a few years in the collective, keeping quiet, trying not to react too much. Mainly because I was "scared" of leaving. But all these years were a real internal struggle.

What really helped me were the dreams, visions and direct spiritual experiences I had. For example, in a dream, Shri Mataji told me to "keep in touch with the Real Yogis".

In another dream, She also told me to sit next to Her during an opera show (!) and in doing so, I had to ask a "leader" to move (because he had already sat himself next to Shri Mataji).I was scared of asking the man to go, but Shri Mataji looked at me and said "It's your seat, not his !". I felt she was more displeased with me than with him, because I was a coward ! So, in my dream, She "forced" me to have the courage to face him... Which was very difficult for me.

At international pujas I also started meeting some yogis whom I could really "share" with.

So the global picture became clearer : the human collectivity created by Sahaja Yogis was just another dead flower on the tree of religions, just like Shri Mataji had warned us !

She has always explained that Sahaja Yoga is a living process, ever changing, like Life itself; it can't be an organisation. It "materialises" in our consciousness, mankind's consciousness. Because I believe that Sahaja Yoga is not only for the Sahaja Yogis. It's a mass process of evolution. The so called "yogis" who have transformed this great process into another dead "cult" have misunderstood the whole point and blinded themselves. Now, I pity them. So close to the goal, so blessed, and look at the mess they've made of it.

I believe the Advent brought forward by Sri Mataji, the incarnation of the great Mother, the Great Adi Shakti, is taking place in the hearts and minds of all the good willing people.

If the global view of the world can seem rather gloomy at this point, so much has changed, for the better, over the last 2 decades : people on the whole, seem to be much more aware of "energies"and "vibrations"; alternative healthcare is especially focusing on "energies" in the human body. People are also more aware of the "afterlife", the Angels, the power of prayer, etc...The concern for our Mother Earth is also growing, and more and more voices are rising to warn that "we are part of the whole". Events such as crop circles draw seekers attention on extra-ordinary events... etc...

So, now, you should feel free to grow, free to support with all your desire the great advent which is taking place. There is no time for doubts, regrets, worries anymore...

We must awaken all the divine powers within us. It is our duty to the Adi Shakti. We must use our attention, our desires, our prayers wisely. We must remain forever faithful to the Adi Shakti within us and let Her incarnation Shri Mataji witness that all the work She has done for 40 years (40 years of incessant travels, speeches, pujas !...) was not vain. Christ earthly mission only lasted 3 years... Only a Mother, with all Her patience, love and dedication could endure the misbehaviours, mistakes and nonsense of Her children.

Regards

Isabelle

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