Isabelle, their memory will always be of a lonely, sick, helpless, isolated Divine Mother
"The alternative is their own slow demise towards a sad ending. By that i mean the sad ending that will take place once Shri Mataji leaves us. That eventual lasting anguish and sorrow is all but assured. They will have lost someone so dear, someone who was drugged and sedated to the point of near death. And none of them had the courage or presence of mind to rise up and protest, even 'wage war' against all the mistreatment despite Her written instructions. Their memory will always be of a lonely, sick, helpless, isolated Divine Mother, a terrible memory that will torment and traumatize them for the rest of their lives. So, Isabelle, the worst is yet to come!"
Feb 1, 2011
Dear followers of the Adi Shakti/Paraclete,
I've just received a message from a "former yogi/friend of mine" I hadn't heard about for quite a while. (I'll call him "P"). "P" lived at Chelsham Road (England) for a few years when Shri Mataji was there and came back to Paris a few years ago. He left the collective and repeatedly tried to warn his brother ("real brother") who's been one of the prominent figures in the French SY collective for the last 20 years. Here's a recent message he sent him (and sent me) which I tried to sum up and translate.
It's interesting because it shows what we already knew : there are now 2 very distinctive "poles" : the followers of the Adi Shakti within and the followers of Maha Maya, the great illusion. The leaders and all SY paraphernalia are completely blinded. They are manipulated by dark destructive forces : the same forces who diverted Christ's work 2000 years ago. The Pauls and Peters are back today in the SY collectivity and mesmerize the vast majority of "honest" yogis who haven't yet found the strength to break free from these fakers. We, on this forum, thanks to Jagbir's consistent great work and courage, have found a haven to regain strength and support. But think about all those "left behind", all those too weak, too ashamed, too fragile to follow their Spirit within... Maybe somehow, through compassion, we could help them ?
Just like "P" is trying to save and help his brother "M"...
"Dear M... we are brothers through blood ties. You chose to incarnate as my brother. You have rejected my views and my warnings since I left the SY collective.
Getting out of the illusion of the SY collective allowed me to grow, to become more honest. I decided to follow the Adi Shakti and not the collectivity anymore. I then met amazing people (seers, healers...) who warned me that great evils were threatening Shri Mataji's work, from inside the collective. At first (about 7 years ago), I wouldn't pay attention to these warnings, believing that SHE could cope with it and do whatever SHE wanted because SHE was the Adi Shakti. But 5 years ago, and then 3 years ago, I was told she was drugged and that she nearly died. That time, I listened to the warnings and asked, in all humility, if there was something I could do.
Then I learnt about the Guru Puja, when Shri Mataji talked again and told Her children she was giving them complete freedom to spread Her message.
I tried to get back in touch with you, with my former "friends" from the collective. But nobody listened to me.
And then all of a sudden, many yogis throughout the world started to express themselves and to openly claim that what had been created in SY WAS NOT Shri Mataji's vision and message. Some yogis decided to arm against the Darkness that was destroying Her mighty work and all sorts of documents involving so-called "leaders", Mothers' family, Sir CP... were uncovered. Pressures, manipulations, stolen money, false salaries, threats, etc... were revealed for all of us to see and understand. (People are being sued for these).
When I went to Egypt a few years ago, I met "by chance" , (on the boat, amongst hundreds of passengers !!) about 20 Russian "former" yogis who told me they were part of a group who had been meditating on the Adi Shakti and Saddha Shiva principle for years, trying to protect and warn Shri Mataji, the Adi Shakti's incarnation. But they understood that She would accept all the mistreatments, including drugs, because She wanted to protect Her family...
But now, I fear that Her ailing body won't be able to sustain the Adi Shakti energy within Her. I believe we MUST ACT.
Now, I am in touch with many yogis who "weep over" this situation or want to "wage war". I've tried to tell many people in the collective that they had to "open their eyes and do something"; but they think that if that was the case, they would get "a sign" from Shri Mataji.
So my dear brother, are you part of them ?..."
Darkness vs Light: i feel really uneasy about this, in fact 'disturbed'
Feb 5, 2011
Dear Isabelle, Violet and all,
i have decided to answer both your posts together as they are somehow related, or rather relate to how the negativity overwhelmed the advent of Shri Mataji and Her message to humanity.
The birth of followers of the Adi Shakti within is a recent phenomena that was probably triggered by the tragic events following the ex- communication and expulsion of Guido. That had a domino effect on other countries eventually resulting in shocking exposures that has permanently crippled the SY organization, or what is left of it. Google Trends confirms the pending end of Sahaja Yoga, stagnant as it has been for years:
However, following the Adi Shakti within does little to change the status quo. i dare say that even if all SYs become followers of the Adi Shakti within it will hardly matter. This is because they cannot rid themselves of the subtle system mindset. It is ingrained in them. They cannot spread Her advent and message in any other way except by means of the SYSSR.
Yes, it is true that the leaders are manipulated by dark forces and have again almost destroyed the Paraclete's work. i have no idea why thousands of yogis cannot break free from their tenacious hold. The SYSSR religion has conditioned them to such an extend that they will endure all sorts of ridiculous rules, absurd rituals and foolish rulers. Leaving the collective means `spiritual death' as they believe there is no salvation outside the SY collective.
However, intervention and rehabilitation of these SYs is not worth the effort:
"Now, I am in touch with many yogis who "weep over" this situation or want to "wage war". I've tried to tell many people in the collective that they had to "open their eyes and do something"; but they think that if that was the case, they would get "a sign" from Shri Mataji."
Despite so many who "weep over" in anguish and wishing to "wage war" in anger, they still are waiting for "a sign" from Shri Mataji, drugged and sedated as She is??!!! They want Shri Mataji to wave Her hands frantically and shout at the top of Her voice, "Help! Help! Help me please!" How can anyone rehabilitate such fools? i neither have the confidence nor energy to 'help' them. By that i mean getting rid of their SYSSR mindset, and replacing it with the Paraclete's Blossom Time and the three Rs - no rule, no ritual, no ruler! If there are any willing to do that they are most welcome to join us.
The Advent and Message of the Adi Shakti (Spirit-Paraclete) is about the Blossom Time i.e., the eschatological divine instruction. (That is the reason i wanted the latest edits to be read. ) We must never forget three things:
i) that the Divine Mother (Devi/Holy Spirit/Spirit-Paraclete) has incarnated for the first time in Her full form.
ii) that the Divine Mother has incarnated specifically to fulfill Jesus' promise to send the Comforter to complete His teachings.
iii) that the Divine Mother has always glorified Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God, and never ceased nor faltered over four decades from giving public eschatological divine instruction, albeit briefly for seekers coming for the first time.
There are many things SYs have been made to forget over the decades. All pale in comparison to forgetting the most important and central message of Shri Mataji: The Blossom Time. That thousands have forgotten and do not want to respond even when reminded is mind- boggling! Yet they continue claiming they are loyal followers of the Adi Shakti who will most willingly lay down their lives for Her. Unfortunately, for some unfathomable reason, they neither have the courage to tell the truth nor allow others that privilege.
The computer (data) and the Internet (speed and universality) were crucial in keeping the advent and message of Shri Mataji intact in its entirety. Without them there is absolutely no way it would have survived. See how effectively the early April and June 1994 incidents were nipped in the bud by leaders and erased from collective memory.
But that was the past. Today we have detailed data of the advent and message of both the Spirit-Paraclete and the Paraclete. Without doubt, the negativity over the decades has succeeded in overcoming the Paraclete Shri Mataji and reducing Her to a mere subtle system guru. Hardly anyone knows Sahaja Yoga or is interested in the subtle system. (The Google Trend confirms that today.)
That is where the Spirit-Paraclete takes over. By using Her incarnation Shr Mataji's groundwork, we will spread Her message and eschatological divine instruction of the Last Judgment and Resurrection on a far larger scale for generations to come. Only in this age of mass media and literacy is its universality possible, and comprehensible.
Regards to all,
Feb 5, 2011
Re: Darkness vs Light
Dear Jagbir, Isabelle and all,
Jagbir, you have explained things very well. Of course we would like to have yogis join us, but they won't be happy while they are conditioned on the subtle system and the SYSSR to the exclusion of everything else. A conditioning is something that the person themselves has to deal with. That conditioning that i saw when i was in SY org. - i used to tell myself that i had come from the Mennonite religion, and there was no way i was going to again get entangled condition-wise into another religion. For me, it was always about the Holy Spirit alone. Once i confirmed to myself/the Divine Mother confirmed to me, that She was the Incarnation of the Adi Shakti, then i knew i could go along with Her, that She understood i didn't need to be conditioned into any religion, but just that i needed to become spiritually liberated. But to the contrary, people had allowed themselves to become so conditioned by rules, rituals and rulers, that they could not see Shri Mataji's Advent and Message in the pure context. Yes, i feel for the yogis, but they also have to de-condition themselves now, really, before they will be happy to join us, i would think. That part, as Jagbir said, what can we do about it? Maybe it will be a slow process for them, maybe not. But i do appreciate your concern/care regarding them, Isabelle, which shows you have a great heart. There is always hope!
Love to All,
Feb 5, 2011
When I went to Egypt a few years ago, I met "by chance" , (on the
boat, amongst hundreds of passengers !!) about 20 Russian "former"
yogis who told me they were part of a group who had been meditating
on the Adi Shakti and Saddha Shiva principle for years, trying to
protect and warn Shri Mataji, the Adi Shakti's incarnation. But they
understood that She would accept all the mistreatments, including
drugs, because She wanted to protect Her family...
Dear Isabelle, Violet and all,
i feel really uneasy by this statement. In fact, i am 'disturbed':
"But they understood that She would accept all the mistreatments, including drugs, because She wanted to protect Her family."
It makes no sense ......... unless you understand it as not what Shri Mataji had said i.e., spoken in words to them, but what they think it is according to their comprehension of the situation.
Over the years i know for a fact that SYs, especially leaders, use any movement of limb, gesture or expression (eg. a vacant momentary look at the person, a Risperdone-induced twitch) as a sign that She is agreeable and has blessed them to carry out the project. Sir C.P. goes further to insult intelligence, not of the rank and file SYs but of ex-communicated pariahs like me. He has the acquired taste and temerity to interpret Her silence as as "Yes". So projects, pujas, books, council seats, medical examinations/drugs and what not have been 'blessed', and continue to be, without Shri Mataji uttering a single word! (i had suspected that for years but had no evidence. Now we have more than we need.)
So the statement above is just another figment of their imagination. They have just made it up according to their take of things happening in SY. They have completely forgotten the fact that all these drugs and mistreatment have exposed the scandalous and corrupt organization that is Sahaja Yoga. SY has now been ripped apart beyond any hope of repair. No fool in future will follow the rules, rituals and rulers of an organization so tainted by all that has happened over the last few years. That leads me to conclude the truth:
"But they understood that She would accept all the mistreatment, including drugs, because She wanted to expose Her family."
History will prove us right. And unlike them, we have the Spirit- Paraclete and Her Apocalypse to continue with. So rejoice and look forward to the future with a clear conscience and hope. In fact celebrate life of the Resurrection to the fullest. You must know that the Spirit-Paraclete is working Her Advent and Message out. It will take a few more years, but i cannot discuss it. So rest assured!
regards to all,
Isabelle, their memory will always be of a lonely, sick, helpless, isolated Divine Mother,
Feb 7, 2011
> But think about all those "left behind", all those too weak, too
> ashamed, too fragile to follow their Spirit within... Maybe
> somehow, through compassion, we could help them ?
Dear Isabelle and all,
i have noticed that women, like the Paraclete, have this nourishing, forgiving, accommodating qualities that sustain so much. They are qualities that i admire, qualities that i may lack at this moment.
When i joined SY i was full of hope and joy. i saw the formidable spiritual force that would be arising due to the revelations of the Spirit-Paraclete, revelations which Shri Mataji confirmed as true in 1994. My joy soared to the point where i started washing the feet of a SY who stayed in my house for a few weeks. (If Jesus was humble enough to do so, why shouldn't myself follow his example!) In short, i began to envision life "as in heaven so on earth".
But all my hopes and joy was quickly dashed by the indifferent and at times ugly reception from the North American SYs. They were led to believe that my children and myself were possessed by some evil entity and should be 'tolerated'. Things got so bad at one stage that they even wanted Shri Mataji to put an end to it!
Those seven years in SY were very difficult, to say the least. Despite all my subservience to leaders and coordinators things never got better. The last straw was when Patrick Lantoin, the self-imposed and unofficial 'leader' of the Montreal collective, declared that God was punishing me. Why? Because i told the collective that even Muslims cannot challenge Shri Mataji's advent and message, and that we should begin declaring the truth in public.
i quit. Immediately the SY rumor-mill added two more shifts. It began to run 24/7. i know there was a huge sigh of relief for the North American collective. At last they had rid themselves of a persistent thorn that had pricked their conscience for just too long.
i started this forum in 2003 and from it came a wealth of information concerning the mindset of SYs. i can only shake my head in disbelief.
The bacteria, viruses and parasites of the SYSSR has diseased their mind to a frightening level of fear and insecurity, not to mention the freedom to think and act independently. Thus any compassion to accommodate their SYSSR will not work. Absolutely not.
Intervention requires them to follow no rules, no rituals and no rulers. That is the only way they can rehabilitate and nourish their minds. By that i mean they should begin understanding the Paraclete's Advent and finding faith, joy and courage to declare Her Message. That is the compassion that can be given to relieeve their 'pain'.
But i believe people normally think compassion is:
"Deep awareness of the suffering of another coupled with the wish to relieve it." - American Heritage Dictionary
"a feeling of deep sympathy and sorrow for another who is stricken by misfortune, accompanied by a strong desire to alleviate the suffering." - dictionary.com
But i have a different way of looking at it:
"Compassion is a sense of shared suffering, most often combined with a desire to alleviate or reduce such suffering.
Compassionate acts are generally considered those which take into account the suffering of others and attempt to alleviate that suffering as if it were one's own. In this sense, the various forms of the Golden Rule are clearly based in the concept of compassion.
Compassion differs from other forms of helpful or humane behavior in that its focus is primarily on the alleviation of suffering. Acts of kindness which seek primarily to confer benefit rather than relieve existing suffering are better classified as acts of altruism, although, in this sense, compassion itself can be seen as a subset of altruism, it being defined as the type of behavior which seeks to benefit others by reducing their suffering." - wordIQ.com
So my compassion means relieving the trauma, confusion, shame and helplessness of "all those too weak, too ashamed, too fragile to follow their Spirit within". The only way they can be relieved is by accepting the good intentions of our intervention:
"Intervention requires them to follow no rules, no rituals and no rulers. That is the only way they can rehabilitate and nourish their minds. By that i mean they should begin understanding the Paraclete's Advent and finding faith, joy and courage to declare Her Message. That is the compassion that can be given to relieve their 'pain'."
Other than that nothing else can be done to help them Isabelle. There is so much at stake and so much more work to be done. If they realize the dire straits they are in and the urgency to act unconditionally, they will join us and promote www.adishakti.org.
The alternative is their own slow demise towards a sad ending. By that i mean the sad ending that will take place once Shri Mataji leaves us. That eventual lasting anguish and sorrow is all but assured. They will have lost someone so dear, someone who was drugged and sedated to the point of near death. And none of them had the courage or presence of mind to rise up and protest, even 'wage war' against all the mistreatment despite Her written instructions. Their memory will always be of a lonely, sick, helpless, isolated Divine Mother, a terrible memory that will torment and traumatize them for the rest of their lives. So, Isabelle, the worst is yet to come!
regards to all,
Feb 8, 2011
> But i have a different way of looking at it:
So my 'compassion', if you call it that, is telling a drug addict (SYSSR) to quit cold turkey. In other words, either stop taking the drug immediately or make funeral arrangements. There is no place for "please", "i love you", "JSM", or "i beg you". After so many years of taking their 'abuse' kindness, reasoning and sweet language is now out of question.
So my compassion is as bitter as Buckleys .......... but it works! i already have tried mixing honey and ginger to no effect. i also tried using chillies and lemons but it got worse. Mantras only made the deities 'angry' for only fools would request them to cure coughs.
So i am talking from years of experience.
Feb 9, 2011
Dear Jagbir, Violet, Nicole and all sending posts and getting replies from you on this forum is always a great joy and comfort.
I feel the works of our Mother the Paraclete manifesting in practical terms through your pertinent and enlightened comments which put my mind and heart at rest.
Even if I do not fully understand the present drama and I still keep wondering why She had to go through all this, I know somehow the "Blossom Time" is happening.
The seeming ordeal Shri Mataji, the Paraclete's incarnation, is going through, is probably a "screen", a web created by Mahamaya to lure and destroy the negative forces She has attracted. In the same way, the Dark forces had seemingly triumphed when they chose a cross with a dead man on it as the symbol of their newly founded religion. The so called "Christian" religion has always been anti-Christ. In the same way, the so called Sahaja Yoga religion, is anti-Adi shakti. There is not a shadow of doubt about that.
Now, as you said Jagbir, we have to wait for the final act; when the negativity is totally blinded, the Devi can strike and crush it. We probably can't get any further than the present SYSSR blindness.
When I was wondering if we could somehow help the "weak and mesmerized ones", I was perhaps fooling myself. That is not our job. Our job is to spread the advent and message, in the way you, Jagbir, have started on http://www.adishakti.org/
Shri Mataji once declared :
'My children, you must know I am beyond insults and Pain. Do you know that when Christ was crucified he was a witness to his pain ? He can never be humiliated. But these people are under the pressure of the satanic forces. We have to save them. Do you want them to go to hell ?"
When She said "We have to save them", maybe that's what She is doing in "accepting" the insults and pain they are causing to Her. Maybe we have to forgive them for what they are doing to this great Incarnation. The power of our forgiveness is probably the only way we can help and support Her.
She also said :
"It's better that you discover me than I tell you because Christ was crucified, everybody was tortured. I do not want to hamper my work because it makes no difference by telling you anything before Realization. It's better to tell you after Realization that I am the Holy Ghost – no doubt! I am the one about which Christ has talked.
I feel that we, on this forum, have "discovered" Her, and maybe She is also protecting us. She's acting as bait, so we are left alone. Think of the way you and your family were mentally "tortured", Jagbir, when the Canadian "leaders" rejected your children's experiences. And see the way your site is now attracting more and more people. The Dark forces are too busy drugging/nursing/believing they're using Shri Mataji.
I, too, felt a kind of mental "torture" when I was in the collective. By getting out of the collective, we freed ourselves and were able to go beyond the illusion and truly acknowledge the Holy Ghost within us.
I still have a long way to go, I must concentrate on the task ahead and become a true channel of the the Divine light.
Thank you all for helping me.
Feb 11, 2011
Dear Isabelle (and all disciples of the Spirit-Paraclete),
Namaste - i bow to the Holy Spirit who resides in you!
The appended quote is in direct response to your urge to concentrate on the task ahead. It will fulfill your deepest desire and remove all future doubts as to which direction to take. Once on this Paraclete Path there will no be question of you ever getting lost on the way, or turning back after a few years of solitary trekking.
Isabelle, i assure you and all others that if you truly understand the gist of Graham A. Cole's extract below, having second thoughts or internal conflict is out of question. It must be read a few times in order to truly comprehend "the task ahead". It must be meditated upon to be comprehended. And just before going to sleep, it must be contemplated again in the comfort of a clear conscience.
i will give my take on it after a week so that all of us have ample time to realize the right direction from the critical crossroads we are presently at. There probably is no time in history as blessed as ours. However, this divine gift of eternal life also carries a heavy responsibility and, at times, a most difficult choice:
"And every one who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name's sake, will receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life.
But many that are first will be last, and the last first." Matt. 19:29-30
regards to all,
"Of particular importance to our discussion is John 16:8-11. Our understanding of the passage here will affect our construal of the mission of the Spirit. Is the ministry of the Spirit to convict the world of sin, righteousness and judgment (e.g., J.I. Packer), or is it to reveal to the disciples where the world has gone wrong with regard to Jesus (e.g., Raymond E. Brown), or a mix of the two (e.g., George T. Montague)? If elenchein (cf. v. 8) is taken to mean either "to convict" or "to expose"—and it can be understood a number of ways depending on the context—and if the world is considered to be the object, then the Spirit is the great persecutor who takes the world on—albeit through the disciples. The core of the world's sin is unbelief in Jesus, and it needs to be convicted of Jesus' righteousness, despite the verdict of any earthly court and judgment. The ruler of this world does not have the final say with regard to Jesus. In fact, the ruler of this world stands condemned. But the world, we are told earlier in Farewell Discourse, neither receives nor sees nor knows the Spirit (John 14:17). Thus Brown contends that the Spirit's role is to show the troubled and fearful disciples ... that the world misread Jesus dramatically. Armed with that knowledge, then, the disciples can confront the world with their witness to the truth. With this view, the reader of John's Gospel may be confident that the disciples got Jesus right and therefore likewise got right this Gospel account that he or she is reading. Montague believes that elenchein has at least two different meanings in the passage. With regard to sin the Spirit convicts, but with regard to righteousness and judgment the Spirit reveals. In my view, the first option fits the context best. The world is on trial. The Holy Spirit will continue the prosecution begin by Jesus. The world won't receive, see, or know [the Holy Spirit] because [the Holy Spirit] will persecute the case through the disciples and not directly (John 14:17). The Paraclete's ministry is one of both convicting and exposing."
He Who Gives Life: The Doctrine of the Holy Spirit
Graham A. Cole, Crossway Books (August 16, 2007), 187-188
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