Mass hysteria, brainwashing, what is
From: "v_koa" <email@example.com>
Date: Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:47 am
Subject: Mass hysteria, brainwashing, what is
I was sitting at home today and listening to my mother
talk to one
of her friends on the phone about both of their troubles
etc, and my
mother is a devout catholic, and she was comforting her
assuring her many of her friends problems are actually
and many of the coincidences in her life and my mothers
regards to the people they meet and have met, either for
the good or
the bad, were all part of gods plan for them or were
there for a
special purpose ordained by god. Now considering I fully
that sahaja yoga is about and adishakti.org is about,
even if it is
only at an intellectual level for me right now, these
mother says "I'll pray for you", "the reason why such
happening or people are in your life must be the will of
god or for
a special purpose by god" seem so ridiculous to me. I
mean none of
these people have had their realization or know anything
kundalini, kingdom of god within or holy spirit,
especially the holy
spirit outside a church context. Not only that, but she
talking about praying for this person and for their
healing and this
and that, but if they aren't connected to god or even
matter the HOLY SPIRIT except for in their minds( they
realization so aren't they disconnect from the HS?)who
talking to or requesting help from? Wouldn't that just
be the power
of intention and not the HS? As well my mother has the "
tongues" so to speak, but I really think that has
nothing to do with
god or the holy spirit whatsoever, but she deems these
she has had and her intuition in regards to things,
because it is
quite strong, as being guided by the holy spirit. IF
this is not
that case, then what force or entity or trick of the
controlling such things or influencing such behavior,
experiences. I've always wondered this. When we have
about the spirit, it always comes back to these things
and in my
head I'm thinking" you have never met god", though
neither have I.
I don't know if this is a post with questions in it or
wanting to knows things I can't articulate, but if
anyone out there
can pick this apart and find anything in here to shed
some light on
whatever it is I am looking for, that would be great.
From: "violet_tubb" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:10 pm
Subject: Re: Mass hysteria, brainwashing, what
I will try to help you by "painting a picture"
speaking, to try and help you to see what
"Pentecostalism" is all
We have Pentecostalism. People go to church. They have a
They want to "deepen" their faith and it often is very
really want to get close to God.
In the Pentecostal church service, things may happen
like a rousing
song, clapping, and great camaraderie; everyone becomes
"one in the
Spirit and one in the Lord". Then they might "dance in
or "speak in tongues."
While people are in this excited state, a Minister may
a "rousing" welcome such as "Halleluyah! Praise the
Lord! How are
you my brother/sister? Are we well today/tonight?! The
respond out loud and answer the ministers question out
Everyone becomes like a happy family.
This whole routine generates a state of "happiness" and
at the "togetherness" felt. The audience may become
from all this excitement and quite relaxed and may lapse
a "receptive" state. (You could compare it to doing
exercise and you use up your oxygen from the exertion
and then you
feel very relaxed and slightly sleepy.
By the time the Minister is ready to give his sermon,
everyone is in
such a "happy" state of mind that they will probably
he says because in this state, what is said goes
directly into the
brain without going through the "critical" process.
the minister says would go through people's thinking
they are bypassed when people are in this happy
receptive state of
mind. So, they can then accept whatever is said.
This is a method of "conditioning" like you see on the
Evangelist's Programs on T.V. whereby they operate in
to "soften" people up for their "message." You can also
to when you inadvertently watch "ads" on T.V. but were
to do so.
All these "highs" keep people on an "up" psychologically
week and they might also like to go to church on
and Sunday to get a "boost".
If they don't go to church, they may feel a "downer"
coming on and
they also feel very "guilty" because they have been
believing by the minister that if they do not go, they
stray from the "straight and narrow".
These people often become "depressed" and "elated" in
subtle system works that way. They swing from their
to their "right" channels of the Sympathetic Nervous
System and that
is why it is so exhausting; these centres continually
They are also "convinced" by the minister into believing
long as they talk to people about their "problems" and
them, that they are being good Christians and will
definitely go to
They also teach, as you say, that "all problems are
there for a
reason and that they are "blessings" in disguise; that
there is a
reason for everything. This is not necessarily "wrong"
but it is not
always "right" either under certain circumstances.
Kyyan, the whole system is a bit of a merry-go-round.
believe that they are talking to God because they "feel"
the "euphoria" is the Holy Spirit. You will not be able
to tell them
otherwise! You can compare the "addictive trend" like a
are addicted to physical exercise to get the "adrenalin
The Bible predicted that we would receive the Baptism of
Spirit at this time. The Incarnation of the "Comforter"
has come in
the person of Sri Mataji Nirmala Devi. Previously, the
the Holy Spirit was received by very few "initiates"
such as the
disciples and the Gnostics and others but they were
the main congregations of Christianity as were the
teachings of Jesus Christ.
Meanwhile, over the centuries, the "priestly caste" has
powerful. The "priestly caste" is referred to in the
the "blind leading the blind". The "priestly caste" in
fact is so
busy with "politics" and "dogma", that they "cannot
themselves and prevent others" (Bible).These "priestly
called "blind", because, true to fundamentalism, they
eyes to the Truth found in the essence of all religions.
even consider non-Pentecostal branches of Christianity
not to have
the full "gospel truth". They believe that they are the
only ones to
have the "full gospel" because they believe that they
are able to
give everyone the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
The real Baptism of the Holy Spirit is felt as a Cool
was felt on the Day of Pentecost when the disciples felt
In addition to "bringing to remembrance" the old Truths,
has also "enlightened" and "explained" a lot. This
teachings of all the Incarnations and Prophets. She also
the prophecy of the Last Judgment and the Resurrection
and gives us
a positive message that we can "evolve" or "ascend" to
Spirt and avoid thereby be "saved" from the calamities
around us today all over the world.
In Pentecostalism, though, they think that they have the
exclusive "outpouring of the Holy Spirit" and that no
one is going
to be "saved" except the Fundamentalist Pentecostal
Kyyan, I'm sure your mother loves you and you love her.
I can tell
you that she feels 100% sure that she is on the right
path; is in
touch with God and so forth. There is no way you could
otherwise, because of her 'experiences'. Sorry to have
to say this,
but it is true. People who are entrenched in
utterly convinced and will not see it any other way.
some "miracle" happens or something "bad" happens, like
committing some grave "sin" (and this has happened),
wake up and take notice.
Another thing is that Fundamentalist Christians in
general all study
their Bibles very thoroughly. They will have a Bible
Verse to back
up everything they say. Unfortunately, the ministers
them how to "interpret" the Scriptures, depending on
These "interpretations" are often very wrong. Were a
yourself, Kyyan, to study the Bible and not be
these "interpretations" and "dogmas", you would have a
chance to find the real Truth. You would be surprised at
find in the Bible. There is a lot of depth there.
Kyyan, you say that your mother has never met God. The
can say this, I believe, is that you sense that this
round" is all an "outward" thing, and it is.
The real Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a very "inner"
makes you your own "guru", "master" and "teacher",
someone subject to all the "conditionings" imposed by
Kyyan, your mother is very "genuine" in her belief and
she is doing
everything to the best of her ability to follow what she
be true. You see, it is not her fault in a way. Its is
the fault of
the "blind leaders" to a large extent.
Unfortunately, Pentecostals follow the Fundamentalist
doctrines so there is no problem for a "devout Catholic"
go "Pentecostal". A lot of people are falling into this
the so-called "frying pan" of "fundamentalism" to the
consuming "fire" of "Pentecostalism".
That's why there is a need to get the message out
urgently about SM
and the Last Judgment and Resurrection, so that
Christians have a
chance to have the "real" Baptism of the Holy Spirit,
the "fake" one. Christians already believe in the Last
Resurrection, although a very Doomsday version of it.
Fundamentalist Christians do not believe in the unity of
of Jesus, Mohammed, Abraham, Moses, Confucius, Socrates,
Nanak and others, so they are dividing the Truth.
However, Truth is
Kyyan, all you can do is to seek and see the Truth
and live your life that way. You need to be your own
guru and not
let anyone else become your guru and I believe from what
said, that you are doing that.
Meanwhile, please do have love and compassion for your
because she is treading a difficult path full of
pitfalls. Stand up
for yourself and be firm and true to your own Spirit and
Truth quietly and with confidence when your mother
wishes to talk.
This way you can be a "mirror" for your mother and maybe
help her out of this "trap". One tip though; you will
also need to
familiarize yourself with the Bible and other Holy Books
to give you
the understanding and "grounding" for your experiences.
helps you a lot in that way.
I hope this can help you to "see" things a bit more
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