Real SYs support Her Mission, Message and Teachings; they don't thwart them
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "jagbir
> Dear devotees of the Adi Shakti,
> Namaskar: I bow to the Devi that resides in you.
> i just received an email which reads:
> > "With what's happening re Sfacets and Wikipedia, does this mean we
> > are going to be relegated along with the anti-Sahaja Yogis? Are you
> > feeling down about what is happening? Or just angry."
> i am not the least bothered or concerned by John Noyce or whatever
> WCASY tells him to do. But i admit admiring the ingenuity of the
> negativity that compels him/them to act that way. Over the last few
> years the negativity within the organization has bloated to an
> enormous size. John Noyce is just making sure his contribution is
> rewarded in future with a WCASY membership.
> > "i say this out of all respect, brother. What Sfacets et al is
> > doing is leaving a bad taste in my mouth, for sure. i am glad you
> > are working up the fight against them. However, i don't think can
> > ever stop considering myself a Sahaja Yogi. Rather, they as far as
> > i am concerned, they are not Sahaja Yogis at all! Real SYs support
> > Her Mission, Message and Teachings; they don't thwart them. i
> > appreciate you are fighting them."
> "You have to dedicate yourself completely to me, not to Sahaja Yoga,
> but to me. Sahaja Yoga is only one of my aspects. Leaving everything
> you have to dedicate. Complete dedication – otherwise you cannot
> ascend any further. Without questioning, Without arguing, complete
> dedication is the only way you can achieve it."
> Shri Mataji - Cheltenham, U.K. – 31 July 1982
> i fully agree with you that "Real SYs support Her Mission, Message
> and Teachings; they don't thwart them." However, today they are far
> and few between, hence my temporary disassociation with the majority
> who are siding with WCASY. You must understand that i am only against
> those who oppose the websites/forum/myself. Please forgive me if
> there has been a misunderstanding. When things get better in future i
> may reconsider my decision. It is only at the present moment that i
> want to distance myself from the subtle system majority as my
> conscience does not allow me to compromise with them in any way.
> Moreover, my dedication is only towards the Devi, not to Sahaja Yoga
> or Yogis. So it really does not matter if i am in Sahaja Yoga or a
> Sahaja Yogi. There are millions of non-SYs meditating on Her daily.
> But i do not expect anyone to follow my personal decision. Be your
> own master at all times.
> regards to all,
Dear Jagbir (and All),
It is beneficial that you have explained your situation. i understand that as you are at the forefront of http://www.adishakti.org/ and its associated forum, that the weight of the responsibility lies on your shoulders. Through your sheer determination and dedication to the Adi Shakti, you have created the path via website and forum to get Her Mission, Message, and Wholistic Teachings out to the world-at-large. The rest of us need only follow that path.
This is why others may not always realise that the only sane and sensible solution when WCASY et al are against your website, forum, and yourself, is to temporarily disassociate from them. This does not mean you have split off, schism'd off or any other such words, which John Noyce is putting into your 'proverbial mouth'. He just has this obsession to split and schism you off. Thus his repetitive deletion of any links of http://www.adishakti.org/ to Sahaja Yoga. The tools he uses to split and schism, is multiple I.D.'s, and he is deceiving Wikipedia, by pretending that his multiple I.D.'s are different people. i really don't know how he can call his fanatical behaviour "middle of the road Sahaja Yoga". It beggars belief!
John Noyce and his SYSSR are "wishy-washy" according to Shri Mataji Herself. It just has no real substance because it is just external techniques, which though helpful, are not the substance of Sahaja Yoga. It can never be "middle of the road Sahaja Yoga" therefore, as John claims. It is only "beside the road of the real Sahaja Yoga", which is within the person. Subtle system yogis will even tell you that "collectivity" means regularly attending your local collective, or other wise you are not "being collective". However, Shri Mataji seems to be saying that "real collectivity" is something much deeper spiritually, than merely having a good Local Collective Attendance Record!:
Words of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi on Collectivity...
"Collectivity doesn't mean that we all should be stuck together with some glue or something or we all become like Gibraltar, Rock of Gibraltar. No, it doesn't mean that. It means wherever you are, you are connected. That is collectivity.
A collective doesn't mean that you hate that person. No, your connection means you love that person, you're concerned about that person. The connection, 'the connecting line', is "of love" and not "of hatred". So when you are connected with another person or persons, then you are in collectivity. But people will live together and everyday break each other's heads. Some of them really give Me headaches, I tell you! Sometimes... because they are nowhere near the real growth of Sahaja Yoga.
So you may be in America, you may be in India, you may be anywhere. You are just connected. And you are concerned. As soon as there's a problem somewhere, into any part, any part, of the world, you are connected and you're effective; you can manage. But if you are not connected and you are just glued together, it's very inconvenient to live under such circumstances.
I think people don't even understand the meaning of collectivity 'where there's not the other'... "ananya" (Sanskrit –> no other). There's no other personality. These personalities are separated from you because of left and right or could be both. But you are yourself fully when you're absolutely detached and your kundalini's dancing. You're alone and never alone. This oneness with the whole gives you all the security that you want, all the joy you want and that's why Kundalini Awakening means collectivity. Unless and until you want pure collectivity in your being, Kundalini won't rise. (Shri Mataji - Shri Adi Kundalini Puja - Germany - 11 August 1991)
So according to Shri Mataji's understanding given of what collectivity is, Jagbir is "being collective". Not only is Jagbir "being collective" but he may even be locally collective one day, if things get better:
"When things get better in future i may reconsider my decision. It is only at the present moment that i want to distance myself from the subtle system majority as my conscience does not allow me to compromise with them in any way. Moreover, my dedication is only towards the Devi, not to Sahaja Yoga or Yogis. So it really does not matter if i am in Sahaja Yoga or a Sahaja Yogi. There are millions of non-SYs meditating on Her daily." (Jagbir)
However, Jagbir says that he does not expect anyone to follow his own personal decision, but that we should be our own master at all times:
"But i do not expect anyone to follow my personal decision. Be your own master at all times." (Jagbir)
i appreciate this fact very much. It is a rare trait when someone does not try and tell you what to think, do, and say. Through the experience of being a moderator on this forum, i can assure you that Jagbir is very much into giving people their spiritual liberty, and not enforcing anything on them. This is what a "real" Sahaja Yogi is like. Real Sahaja Yogis just do not enforce their own will on others. They do not even have any will or desire to do so! The only desire they have is to enjoy their Union with the Divine, and to help others to enjoy that union also. They do this by shedding the Light around that they themselves have. It is as simple as that!
For that a person just needs to be spiritually flexible (spontaneous) and dedicate themselves to Her (the Holy Spirit within). Here is what Shri Jesus and Shri Mataji say, which is very important to know:
"For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. The lamp of the body is the eye; if therefore your eye is clear, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness! No man can serve two Masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will hold to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon" (Shri Jesus - Matthew 6:21-24)
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi:
"You have to dedicate yourself completely to me, not to Sahaja Yoga, but to me. Sahaja Yoga is only one of my aspects. Leaving everything you have to dedicate. Complete dedication – otherwise you cannot ascend any further. Without questioning, Without arguing, complete dedication is the only way you can achieve it." (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Cheltenham, U.K. – 31 July 1982)
However those who have followed Sahaja Yoga rather than dedicating themselves completely to Shri Mataji, have fallen into a very 'wishy-washy thing'. Shri Mataji describes it like this:
"If you put one little fish and two eggs for ten people with one chilli to say that it is Sahaja Yoga, maybe a lemon, they will think, "What's this going on here? Wishy-washy stuff." (Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi - Sheffield, UK, September 21 1985)
With the last two quotes which come from the early to mid 1980's, Shri Mataji is really "slamming" what must already have been the emerging SYSSR. Yet what Shri Mataji described as "wishy-washy"... John Noyce calls "middle-of-the-road-Sahaja-Yoga"! But then it is typical that WCASY et al think they know better than Shri Mataji. i guess it must be their over-bloated ego that is continually blinding them to what Shri Mataji is saying. As Shri Mataji predicted, many Sahaja Yogis especially, are now thinking:
"What's this going on here?"
But thankfully Shri Mataji did give the answer to "What's this going on here" in the mid-80's in Sheffield, U.K. We now know it has to be the full-blown SYSSR She was referring to as "putting one little fish and two eggs for ten people with one chilli to say that it is Sahaja Yoga, maybe a lemon".
So, Jagbir, you have every good reason to temporarily disassociate yourself, until things get better. After all, you are dedicated to Shri Mataji... and not to WCASY. You can only serve One Master, the Adi Shakti within, just as Shri Mataji asked Her Devotees to do. WCASY et al are just reaping the spiritual shallowness they have sown... the results of the "wishy-washy" SYSSR. Only those who support Her Mission, Message, and Teachings can go forward with confidence, and not those who thwart it.
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