Telling the truth: "The only way is to start talking,
announcing, telling and ..."
From: "jagbir singh"
Sat Jul 9, 2005 10:07 am
Subject: Telling the
truth: "The only way is to start talking, announcing,
telling and "
> Dear Jagbir,
> thank you for your answer. I read today the new post of
you on the
> forum. I think i might have some answer about why some
> are afraid of telling the truth in public. At least some
> mine. In the christian world, people are told that only
> about the Last Judgement. And up to this day they should
> catholics, ortodox ,protestants..whatever. People really
> Last Judgement as being a happening when Christ will judge
> ordinary judge in court house. I think that few people in
> world came alone to the ideea that we are judging
> when you tell them that we are leaving the times described
> scriptures and that the Comforter sent by Jesus is among
> will wheter laugh on you or tell you (like some Sahaja
Yogis ) not
> to spread this anymore. I think people really expect that
> they know from the pictures in the churches will come with
> same face they are used to.
> So, in some sense i could understand the fear some sy's
> having to onestly say the truth. But in the same time i
> there is no other way. What we in privat think, should be
> said to the public.
> Best regards
i appreciate this answer and thank you.
The problem with Christianity is the really short period
could preach. Unlike other incarnations, He was only able to
enlighten the ignorant masses for 3 1/2 years. Even worse is
fact that if one calculates the number of verses said by Him
amount to an hour or so of actual speech. Compare them to
apostles and one wonders why they were given far more time
prominence. And why are they speaking on behalf of Jesus?
happened to the actual words spoken by Him?
i will give you a hypothetical explanation to the inherent
of third-party mouthpieces, editing and organizing truth.
(Jesus' disciples) had to tell future generations from
Shri Mataji taught since 1972-2000. Then came a group of
SYs (Church) who wanted to organize the truth and
They only give permission and prominence to disciples who
talk about self-realization, subtle system, catches and
Those who dare talk about the Divine Message (Gnostics) are
condemned as heretics and excommunicated by these murmuring
Over the years and decades only the empty shell of Sahaja
remains and it becomes increasingly difficult for the
(Christians) to find spiritual fulfillment and faith in God.
those theories and thesis of the management SYs (Church) on
variety of topics fail to attract the faithful, a decline
has any idea to reverse despite a score or two of elite
storming in collective unison. For example, who really is
in learning how slicing a lemon into half and placing it on
of the head helps your kundalini to rise? It causes more
ridicule and disbelief if analyzed. The same happened to
Judgment because the elite brains of Christianity stormed in
collective unison for two millennia. When you invent
(sliced lemons) then the Last Judgemnt (Power of Shakti)
distorted and subject to ridicule.
If you understand all the above hypothetical explanation
will comprehend the present difficulty in clearing centuries
ignorance and false teachings by management Christians. Who
how much of Jesus' teachings has been edited out of the
Bible by the
powerful Church? This organization had already consolidated
when the New Testament was first published, centuries after
Savior left. If it can happen today right under our noses
us think it did not happen 2000 years ago?
So Jesus told them that He will send the Comforter who will
all that He was unable. Jesus knew that it will take far
more than a
few years to enlighten humanity about spirituality,
Kingdom of God (Sahasrara). That is exactly what Shri Mataji
done and we SYs are able to understand and accept all
their prophets and holy books. All religious or spiritual
organizations come a distant second as far as enlightenment
concerned. Among other things, SYs are the only humans who
the Cool Breeze, a sign that we are taking part in the Last
and Resurrection. This can only be understood and accepted
who have cross-examined the teachings of the Comforter
of the Bible, and confirming they are true by providing
analysis backed by Christian authors.
Those SYs who have read www.adishakti.org will realize
and be confident enough to proclaim the Last Judgment, and a
more. Before the advent of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi not a
soul understood how the Last Judgment and Resurrection is
take place. Only after the Comforter clarified over the span
three decades about the single invisible thread that holds
religions together and the common destination for all the
have we SYs been able to surrender to the Divine Message.
But since the concept of Sahaja Yoga is officially explained
terms of self-realization, subtle system, catches and
are going to make a laughing stock of themselves if they
about the Divine Message or Comforter. It is indeed true
management SYs want us to continue squeaking like mice in
and "not to spread this (Message of the Last Judgment)
please don't blame Shri Mataji for this lack of faith and
conviction. There is nothing She can do to stop the
from organizing the truth and editing out the Divine Message
But did She ever tell us not to "Declare to all the nations
I am the Holy Ghost and I have come for this Special Time,
the Resurrection Time"? Did Shri Mataji ever deny that "Now
has come to start talking, announcing, telling about it to
Otherwise the world would say that we never knew about it"?
Sure, people are going to laugh at lemons and chillies. The
thing that silences them is the truth laid out in great
transparency. SYs must protect the Divine Message and
being edited out of Sahaja Yoga. The only way is to start
announcing, telling about it to everyone.
Jai Shri Mataji,
From: "jagbir singh"
Sat Jul 9, 2005 7:53 pm
Subject: Re: Telling
the truth: "The only way is to start talking, announcing,
telling and "
> The problem with Christianity is the really short period
> Christ could preach. Unlike other incarnations, He was
> to enlighten the ignorant masses for 3 1/2 years. Even
> the fact that if one calculates the number of verses said
> they amount to an hour or so of actual speech. Compare
them to the
> apostles and one wonders why they were given far more time
> prominence. And why are they speaking on behalf of Jesus?
> happened to the actual words spoken by Him?
It was on a December day in the year of 1945, near the town
Hammadi in Upper Egypt, that the course of Gnostic studies
radically renewed and forever changed. An Arab peasant,
around a boulder in search of fertilizer for his fields,
upon an old, rather large red earthenware jar. Hoping to
buried treasure, and with due hesitation and apprehension
jinn, the genie or spirit who might attend such an hoard, he
the jar open with his pick. Inside he discovered no treasure
genie, but books: more than a dozen old papyrus books, bound
golden brown leather.6 Little did he realize that he had
extraordinary collection of ancient texts, manuscripts
hidden up a
millennium and a half before (probably deposited in the jar
the year 390 by monks from the nearby monastery of St.
escape destruction under order of the emerging orthodox
its violent expunging of all heterodoxy and heresy.
How the Nag Hammadi manuscripts eventually passed into
hands is a fascinating even if too lengthy story to here
today, now over fifty years since being unearthed and more
decades after final translation and publication in English
Nag Hammadi Library, their importance has become
These thirteen beautiful papyrus codices containing
texts are the long lost "Gnostic Gospels", a last extant
of what orthodox Christianity perceived to be its most
insidious challenge, the feared opponent that the Patristic
heresiologists had reviled under many different names, but
commonly as Gnosticism. The discovery of these documents has
radically revised our understanding of Gnosticism and the
An Overview of the Nag Hammadi Texts
When analyzed according to subject matter, there are six
major categories of writings collected in the Nag Hammadi
Writings of creative and redemptive mythology, including
alternative versions of creation and salvation:
The Apocryphon of John;
The Hypostasis of the Archons;
On the Origin of the World;
The Apocalypse of Adam;
The Paraphrase of Shem.
Observations and commentaries on diverse Gnostic themes,
such as the
nature of reality, the nature of the soul, the relationship
soul to the world:
The Gospel of Truth;
The Treatise on the Resurrection;
The Tripartite Tractate; Eugnostos the Blessed;
The Second Treatise of the Great Seth;
The Teachings of Silvanus;
The Testimony of Truth.
Liturgical and initiatory texts:
The Discourse on the Eighth and Ninth;
The Prayer of Thanksgiving;
A Valentinian Exposition;
The Three Steles of Seth;
The Prayer of the Apostle Paul.
Writings dealing primarily with the feminine deific and
principle, particularly with the Divine Sophia:
The Thunder, Perfect Mind;
The Thought of Norea;
The Sophia of Jesus Christ;
The Exegesis on the Soul.
Writings pertaining to the lives and experiences of some of
The Apocalypse of Peter;
The Letter of Peter to Philip;
The Acts of Peter and the Twelve Apostles;
The (First) Apocalypse of James;
The (Second) Apocalypse of James;
The Apocalypse of Paul.
Scriptures which contain sayings of Jesus as well as
incidents in His life:
The Dialogue of the Saviour;
The Book of Thomas the Contender;
The Apocryphon of James;
The Gospel of Philip;
The Gospel of Thomas.
"But those who wrote and circulated these texts did not
themselves as "heretics. Most of the writings use Christian
terminology, unmistakable related to a Jewish heritage. Many
to offer traditions about Jesus that are secret, hidden from
many" who constitute what, in the second century, came to be
the "catholic church." These Christians are now called
from the Greek word gnosis, usually translated as
as those who claim to know nothing about ultimate reality
agnostic (literally, "not knowing"), the person who does
know such things is called gnostic ("knowing"). But gnosis
primarily rational knowledge. The Greek language
between scientific or reflective knowledge ("He knows
and knowing through observation or experience ("He knows
is gnosis. As the gnostics use the term, we could translate
as "insight," for gnosis involves an intuitive process of
oneself. And to know oneself, they claimed, is to know human
and human destiny. According to the gnostic teacher
writing in Asia Minor (c. 140-160), the gnostic is one has
understand who we were, and what we have become; where we
whither we are hastening; from what we are being released;
birth is, and what is rebirth.
Yet to know oneself, at the deepest level, is simultaneously
God; this is the secret of gnosis. Another gnostic teacher,
Abandon the search for God and the creation and other
matters of a
similar sort. Look for him by taking yourself as the
Learn who it is within you who makes everything his own and
says, "My God, my mind, my thought, my soul, my body." Learn
sources of sorrow:, joy, love, hate . . . If you carefully
investigate these matters you will find him in yourself.
What Muhammad 'All discovered at Nag Hammadi is, apparently,
library of writings, almost all of them gnostic. Although
to offer secret teaching, many of these texts refer to the
Scriptures of the Old Testament, and others to the letters
and the New Testament gospels. Many of them include the same
dramatic personae as the New Testament--Jesus and his
the differences are striking.
Orthodox Jews and Christians insist that a chasm separates
from Its creator: God is wholly other. But some of the
wrote these gospels contradict this: self-knowledge is
God; the self and the divine are identical.
Second, the "living Jesus" of these texts speaks of illusion
enlightenment, not of sin and repentance, like the Jesus of
Testament. Instead of coming to save us from sin, he comes
guide who opens access to spiritual understanding. But when
disciple attains enlightenment, Jesus no longer serves as
spiritual master: the two have become equal--even identical.
Third, orthodox Christians believe that Jesus is Lord and
Son of God
in a unique way: he remains forever distinct from the rest
humanity whom he came to save. Yet the gnostic Gospel of
relates that as soon as Thomas recognizes him, Jesus says to
that they have both received their being from the same
Jesus said, "I am not your master. Because you have drunk,
become drunk from the bubbling stream which I have measured
He who will drink from my mouth will become as I am: I
become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed
Does not such teaching--the identity of the divine and
concern with illusion and enlightenment, the founder who is
presented not as Lord, but as spiritual guide sound more
than Western? Some scholars have suggested that if the names
changed, the "living Buddha" appropriately could say what
of Thomas attributes to the living Jesus. Could Hindu or
tradition have influenced gnosticism?"
Elaine Pagels, The Gnostic Gospels
> So Jesus told them that He will send the Comforter who
> explain all that He was unable. Jesus knew that it will
> more than a few years to enlighten humanity about
> especially the Kingdom of God (Sahasrara). That is exactly
> Shri Mataji has done and we SYs are able to understand and
> all religions, their prophets and holy books. All
> spiritual organizations come a distant second as far as
> enlightenment is concerned. Among other things, SYs are
> humans who can feel the Cool Breeze, a sign that we are
> part in the Last Judgment and Resurrection. This can only
> understood and accepted by those who have cross-examined
> teachings of the Comforter against that of the Bible, and
> confirming they are true by providing detailed analysis
> Christian authors.
A random search about the Comforter brought up this quote
Harold S. Martin, The Authority of the Writings of Paul:
"Jesus spoke to his disciples just before His suffering and
crucifixion (recorded in John 14,15, 16), and told them some
important things before they were confronted with the crisis
Cross. Among the instructions which Jesus gave to the
a pre-authentication of the entire New Testament. John 14:26
John 16:13 are the key passages. In those two portions of
Jesus promised that He would send the Holy Spirit (who will
a) "bring to your remembrance all that / have said to
events associated with the life and death of Christ as we
in the Gospel accounts.
b) "will teach you (explain to you) all things"-that is, the
Spirit will give you an interpretation of the historical
facts as we
find them in the Epistles.
c) "will show you things to come"--that is, the Holy Spirit
show the great events associated with the end of the age, as
them in the Revelation.
Jesus promised these things to His apostles just before His
resurrection, and ascension into heaven. And so the New
not a record based on the fallible memories of the human
but the entire New Testament contains the truth which is a
revelation of the infallible Holy Spirit. This promise of
Spirit's oversight includes the epistles of Paul. Jesus said
apostles, just before He ascended into Heaven, that what
recorded would be superintended by the divine Comforter, the
Spirit. Thus what the apostles wrote was pre-authenticated
Harold S. Martin, The Authority of the Writings of Paul