To those management SYs who want to organize/ suppress the Truth

From: "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org@...>
Date: Fri Jul 8, 2005  1:20 am
Subject: Re: What Has Happened Even Before Shri Mataji's Passing...

--- In, "violet_tubb"
<vtubb@b...> wrote:
> Dear All,
> Just for the record, why is it that people in SY organization want
> to organize the Truth, which Shri Mataji has said you cannot
> organize.
> Why also have i been asked at least 10 times to stop partaking in
> this website (where i might add the full message of the Adi
> Shakti, namely of the Last Judgement and Resurrection is
> articulated?)
> Organization SY has pushed the point so succinctly that i have
> said that if it makes them happy, i will not attend the local
> collective anymore, and they are happy with that decision. i was
> not asked to leave in so many words, but i was made so
? uncomfortable with this repeated request, that i volunteered to
> leave the local collective. What could i do? The strong advice to
> me was to quit the websites... the very websites which are the
> only websites that openly declare Her Full Message to Humanity on
> an Open Forum. i have also been told in this regard, that all that
> SY's have to do is give the experience of Self-Realization to
> others.
> What have i told them?
> i have asked what is it that the Organizaton SY is so afraid of?
> Am i a threat? Is Shri Mataji also a threat to their world view?
> The fact that the SY organization is saying that all we have to do
> as SY's is to give self-realization is one of the first examples
> of the watering down of the Full Message of Shri Adi Shakti, which
> is also about the Last Judgment and Resurrection... the fulfilling
> of the teachings of all the prophets and Incarnations, and the
> Promise of the Advent of the Holy Spirit (Christianity), the Ruh
> of Allah (Muslims), the Maitreya (Buddhists), the Eykaa Mayee
> (Sikhs), the Ruach (Jewish) and of course the Adi Shakti (Hindus).
> Organizational SY, i ask, why have you not declared the Last
> Judgment and Resurrection which Shri Mataji has asked you to do?
> She is not going to force you to do so as that is not in Her
> nature, unlike yourself who try to force others to do the will of
> SY Organization. She always gives people enough rope (meaning
> freedom) until if they do the wrong thing they 'hang' themselves
> with this rope of liberty and then are finished and out of the
> organism of Sahaja Yoga. Why are you not telling "the truth.. the
> whole truth, and nothing but the truth"? Why must you use your
> power to tell SY's what to do and think, contrary to what Shri
> Mataji has taught. She says to be a leader is a myth and She says
> that we are to respect our leaders but that we are to be our own
> gurus; not them. Why are so many leaders wanting to then be De-
> Facto Gurus? There is no need for it this time around. We are in
> Satya Yuga. This is the New Age. Look around you at the Social
> Change in Relation to Religious Organizations. Spirituality is
> going the way of 'Organism' ... not 'Organization'. Can't you see
> that? And ideally, if you just let the Paramchaitanya work it
> out... SY will be the Organism that Shri Mataji envisions it to be
> where we are all our own Gurus, working as One Global Collectivity
> in Love and Harmony.
> The words of Shri Mataji are liberating when compared to the words
> of Organization SY. She has asked us to write about our
> experiences in our own words, which we are doing here, whereas
> Organization SY is asking us to be quiet and not say anything. She
> has asked us to be honest, open, and forthright which we are doing
> on these websites, whereas Organization SY is trying to suppress
> this transparency. She has asked us to tell everyone the Divine
> Message of Sahaja Yoga, which we are doing, as this is a Public
> Forum, however Organization SY wants to shut down even this 'one
> and only' Open Public Forum where SY's and non-SY's can
> communicate with each other.
> Let me say here, that i do not like saying these things. i wish i
> did not have to, because i love SY the organization
> (distinguishing 'organization' here from SY organizational types
> who like to suppress). However, i have to express openly and
> truthfully what is in my heart and hope that Organization SY's
> (who like to suppress) wake up and smell all the roses of freedom
> soon. There is no contradiction in the Divine Message of these
> websites here and in the message of Sahaja Yoga (spontaneous
> union) which is declared in the organization of Sahaja Yoga that
> Shri Mataji Herself has set in place.
> Instead, Organization SY's are worrying about what Anti-Sahaja
> websites might make of Shri Mataji's words on this forum. Jagbir,
> fortunately along with others, has spear-headed debate with these
> Anti-SY websites and has collected the evidence to prove that
> these Anti-SY's are distorting and misrepresenting the Truth, plus
> the fact that many of these characters are adharmic in many ways
> in their own lives... in other words, they disregard the Moral
> Codes of the Holy Books.
> In any case, the incessant worry over Anti-SY's using the words on
> this forum should not stop us from telling the Whole Divine
> Message. Why should Sahaja Yogis let negativity stop them from
> telling the world the Divine Message of the Adi Shakti? i don't
> understand Organization SY's stance on this. It does not make
> sense. Or does this mean that deep within Organization SY's
> psyche, they do not have the faith that the Divine Message will
> succeed against all obstacles this time around even though Shri
> Mataji has PROMISED that the WHOLE Truth will win over all
> obstacles at this time of the Kali Yuga/Satya Yuga. The truth of
> the matter is, wherever there is light... darkness is also
> attracted to it ... and it will always try to fight it... and
> that is the case with these Anti-SY's.
> We just have to keep on working for the Adi Shakti, who is not
> restricted by the organizational types of SY's. And Shri Mataji
> has promised that THIS TIME the TRUTH WILL COME OUT as the winner.
> The religious organization will not be able to water down the
> Divine Message this time because of the miracle of Information
> Technology and Shri Mataji says the most important reason for the
> development of this Information Technology was so that the Whole
> Divine Message would get out to the masses this time. Therefore,
> as these are the only websites that declare the FULL TRUTH, they
> will remain and no attempt by SY organization to date and in
> future will be able to shut them down.
> By the way, i asked the SY Organization to provide me with proof
> from Shri Mataji's handwriting Herself, that She wants these
> websites shut down. Do you know what they said? We have no proof
> and it would not be right to ask for it. Why would it not be right
> to ask Shri Mataji while she is still here in Her physical body,
> if it is such an important matter? The answer it would seem is ...
> they dare not ask Her. i would deign to suggest this is so because
> deep down they fear they may be wrong in this regard and are also
> afraid of Shri Mataji's response.
> Not to be wanted in the local collective by Organization SY is not
> the end of the world. It is a disappointment to be sure, as i will
> not longer be able to enjoy the collective pujas and so forth.
> However, i know that i am in the Global Collective Consciousness
> of the Adi Shakti and that i am a Sahaja Yogi, no matter what any
> organizational types might decide. They can never take away the
> Adi Shakti within me. i would rather please and listen to the Adi
> Shakti within than the multitude of voices without.
> And i will continue to openly declare the FULL MESSAGE here on
> these websites and share with the Global Collective Sahaja Family
> the beautiful truths that Shri Mataji Nirmal Devi has come to give
> the whole world.
> Jai Shri Mataji!
> Violet

From: "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org@...>
Date: Fri Jul 8, 2005  12:20 am
Subject: To those management SYs who want to organize/suppress the Truth

To those management SYs who want to organize/suppress the Truth even
when Shri Mataji is on Earth, i ask what does Shri Mataji mean when
She said the following quotes below.

If you cannot provide answers please leave Violet and others alone
to do what you management SYs do not have the faith and conviction
to accomplish. Why are you so afraid of the truth? Why do you want
us to become hypocrites and compromise the Divine Message? Why can't
you leave others to spread Sahaja Yoga the way they see it? Why are
you forcing your rules on us when Shri Mataji strives to make us

What i really want to know is who gave you the authority to tell
us what we cannot say about Sahaja Yoga? That is why i have got some
quotes of Shri Mataji below that you probably do not like Violet and
others talking on the forum and websites. There are more in case
that is not enough.

But what i truly want you management/control freaks to explain is
what Shri Mataji means by this particular sentence, "Now the Time
has come to start talking, announcing, telling about it to everyone.
Otherwise the world would say that we never knew about it."

Are you by any chance implying that the world never knew about self-
realization and chakras? Is that what we have to announce and awe
humanity with the help of thousands of subtle system teachers? What
is the need i may ask when countless yoga schools are already doing
a far better job? Or is it our patented lemon and chilly treatments
that Shri Mataji is talking about?

But why does the Divine Message disturb all of you so much? Does
Shri Mataji by any chance mean that "Now the Time has come to start
talking, announcing, telling about it to everyone"? Do you think
that She, unlike the management SYs, is concerned that "Otherwise
the world would say that we never knew about it"? Do you think by
any chance She is talking about the Last Judgment and Resurrection?



"Declare to all the nations now that I am the Holy Ghost and I have
come for this Special Time, that is, the Resurrection Time."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Assume Yourself, Sydney, Australia - March 21, 1983

"Now the Time has come to start talking, announcing, telling
about it to everyone. Otherwise the world would say that we never
knew about it."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

"The Truth which is absolute has to express itself in these
Modern Times. And even if it is not accepted it will never die. On
the contrary, if it is not accepted, it will expose all falsehood
and destroy it!"

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

"But I myself feel, as predicted by many, that possibly because
of your understanding and your wisdom, I am sure something great may
happen in this world and things may be brought to a proper level of
understanding of spirituality because this is the Last Judgment and
in this Last Judgment you have to play a very vital role which I am
sure you can do it, if you decide to achieve something for the
future. May God bless you."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Cabella, Italy — September 27, 1998

"But these are special time, the Blossom Time. They call it the
Last Judgment, you can call it the Resurrection Time, you can call
it the Qiyamah, they call it in Koran. It is said that people will
come out of their graves and will get their Resurrection. I mean
what is left to the graves is nothing but a few stones and a few
bones. No! All these souls which are dead will take their birth,
take human body and take their Realization in these special times.
This is a sensible thing to say and is also happening."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Moscow, Russia — November 12, 1993

"The Last Judgment has started. We are facing the Last Judgment
today. We are not aware of it. And all the satanic forces have come
out like the wolves in sheep clothes. And they are trying to attract
you and you do not judge them. You only sit down and judge the
Reality. It has started, it is a fact. It has started."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Kingston, U.K. — June 11, 1980

"This is a living process, invaluable process — you cannot
pay. Also the Knowledge which makes you a Sahaja Yogi is given
absolutely free of charge . . . There is no money that can be paid
for this living process . . . They should also understand that this
is the Golden Age of Emancipation, Resurrection and Last Judgment.
If we can achieve it all of us — including them also — will
have the Blessings of the Divine Love which have been promised a
long time back."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

"The main thing that one has to understand is that the time has
come for you to get all that is promised in the scriptures, not only
in the Bible but all the scriptures of the world. The time has come
today that you have to become a Christian, a Brahmin, a Pir, through
your Kundalini awakening only. There is no other way. And that your
Last Judgment is also now."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
London, U.K. — December 10, 1979

"Actually we have to understand that this Kundalini is your own
Mother. She has been with you in your past. She knows all about you,
about your aspirations, about your future — everything She knows!
And She is just waiting for an opportunity to give you your second
birth. Now think how a Mother behaves. But She is a Holy Mother. She
has no hatred for you — just Love and Love and Love. She wants to
give you Self-Realization . . .

Take it up seriously. It is very serious. You must respect your Self-
Realization. This is a chance which you should not miss. This is the
Last Judgment. So be careful."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
You Must Fight For Innocence
Cabella, Italy — September 15, 1996

"People do not know what Time has come. It is the Last Chance.
You won't get anymore chance. In Bible it has been described as the
Last Judgment."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Delhi, India — August 18, 1979

"This is the Last Judgment! Either you go to Heaven or you'll go
to Hell. It's already working out like that. Now let's see where are
you. I have to again and again tell you as your Mother. I have to
correct you and tell you that remember: This is the Last Judgment
and please do not take anymore to the activities which are

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Give Up Your Antichrist Behavior,
Christmas Puja, India — Dec 25, 1996

"Though you can understand that Mother's Love makes it very easy
for you to get to your Realization and that the whole story of Last
Judgment — which looks such a horrifying experience — has
been made very beautiful, and very tender, and delicate, and does
not disturb you."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Bombay, India — Sept 28, 1979

"In between Jesus Christ and His destroying incarnation of
Mahavishnu called as Kalki there is a time given to human beings to
rectify themselves; for them to enter into the Kingdom of God which
in the Bible is called as Last Judgment" — that you will be
judged, all of you, will be judged on this Earth. The population of
the Earth is at the maximum these days because all those,
practically all those, who had aspirations to enter into the Kingdom
of God are born in Modern Times, and are going to be born very soon.
This is the most important times because Sahaja Yoga is the Last
Judgment. It is fantastic to hear this but that's the fact it is
the Truth."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Kundalini And Kalki Shakti, Bombay, India — September 28, 1979

"Of course there are some absurd things which grew with
misinterpretation and interference from unholy people, which are
common in these religions. For example, Jews, Christian and Muslims
believe that when they die their bodies will come out of their
graves and they will all be resurrected at the Time of Resurrection,
at the Time of Last Judgment, at the Time of Qiyamah. It is
illogical to think what will remain inside those graves after five
hundred years. Nobody wants to think and understand that it is not
the body but the soul that will come out of these bodies, be born
again as human beings and be saved through Qiyamah and

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

"The Time has come for you to get all that is promised in the
scriptures, not only in the Bible but all the scriptures of the
world. The Time has come today that you have to become a Christian,
a Brahmin, a Pir, through your Kundalini awakening only. There is no
other way out and your Last Judgment is also now. Only through
Kundalini awakening God is going to judge you."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
The Message Of Christ,
London, U.K. — December 10, 1979

"The Indian sage, who may be called the pioneer in this field,
was the first great astrologer Bhrigumuni. In his book Nadi Granth,
he made clear predictions about these Modern Times. He also
specifically predicted how the Kundalini would be awakened
spontaneously through Sahaja Yoga, that is, spontaneous union with
the Divine, and become the means of both individual and collective
transformation on a large scale, through teaching incarnation of a
great Yogi. This Yogi would be an unparalleled master of the
Kundalini and would teach all the people the ancients secrets of
self-transformation. These are the times described in the Holy Bible
as the Last Judgment and in the Koran as Qiyamah — the
Resurrection Time. Astrologically it also called the Age of
Aquarius, the Time of Rebirth and of great spiritual development on
the Earth."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

"Jesus Christ incarnated to open the Agnya Chakra and to dissolve
our ego. My job is to awaken your Kundalini Power so that it could
pierce your Sahasrara Chakra. This work is of a collective nature. I
have therefore to do it in the case of one and all. I want to tell
you about Jesus Christ, Guru Nanaka, King Janaka and a number of
other incarnations and the way they relate with the Collectivity.
Similarly, I wish to talk to you about incarnations of Shri Rama,
Shri Krishna, ecetera and also about Shri Shiva because all the
Powers of these Gods and Deities are in us. Now the Time has come
for Collective Consciousness to manifest.

In this Kali Yuga all those who are seeking God shall find Him and
millions of people will be able to do so. Sahaja Yoga is the Last
Judgment. This is described in the Bible. You are judged only after
you come to Sahaja Yoga. . . .

The Judgment in this matter is to be made by the individual himself.
It is only when you stabilize in Sahaja Yoga that the state of
thoughtless awareness is established. So long as the Kundalini Power
does not pass through the Agnya Chakra the state of thoughtless
awareness is not reached. As soon as the Kundalini crosses the Agnya
Chakra the thoughtless awareness is established. It is the Power of
Shri Jesus which is instrumental in opening the subtle door located
above the Agnya Chakra. For that purpose you are to recite the
Lord's Prayer composed by Jesus Christ. After crossing this Door
the Kundalini Power enters the limbic area of the brain. It is after
the Kundalini enters this area, which is also termed as the Kingdom
of God, that the state of thoughtless awareness is established."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

"The word Kalki is actually an abbreviation of the word
Niskalankh. Niskalankh means the same as My name is, which means
Nirmala. That it is spotlessly clean. Something that is spotlessly
clean is Niskalankh — without any spot marks.

Now this incarnation has been described in many Puranas as will be
coming on this Earth on a white horse in a village of Sambhalpur.
They call it Sambhalpur. It is very interesting how people take
everything so literally. The word Sambhalpur means bhal is the
forehead; sambhal means at that state. That means Kalki is situated
at your bhal. Bhal is the forehead and here He is going to be born.
That is the real meaning of the word Sambhalpur.

In between Jesus Christ and His destroying incarnation of Mahavishnu
called as Kalki there is a time given to human beings to rectify
themselves, for them to enter into the Kingdom of God, which in the
Bible is called as Last Judgment."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

"As you know Sahasrara is Mahamaya. It is not easy to understand
Me. For the time being you might know what I am then suddenly you
forget. That's the trick because if you know Me in full ways you
won't even sit here; you won't even come near to Me.

So that Mahamaya is acting all the time, but that's the only way
you can judge people. This Last Judgment is not an easy thing and
even if you put thousands of judges they cannot do this Judgment

all the time you have to know what is what. And somehow I know
everything but I will never show that I know. That's how I work
it out and gradually I know what I have to do about that person.

This Resurrection of yours is much more blessed than that of
Christ . . . Only thing is first of all you have to recognize Me
— that's all. You need not know Me; it's not easy.
It's difficult to know Me. But if you recognize Me —
that's all....

But that's the Love of your Mother that She wants to save as
many as possible all that are created on this Earth, to give them
their Resurrection. This is a Special Time!"

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Self-Knowledge For Resurrection,
Easter Puja, Calcutta, India — March 14, 1995

"Sahaja Yoga is the way of Nature, is the Way of God. He has
given you the right to be that. It is your right that you get it,
that you establish your Self in your own doing . . . So you have to
grow into it. Then you will enjoy and that is the Kingdom of God
which is being promised to you in which you will feel Collectively
Consciousness. That is what it is and that is the Last Judgment
which has been talked. How are they going to judge you? Are they
going to weigh you on a scale? . . . Think about it — How are
they going to judge you? The Judgment is Here!"

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Seeking In The West, London, U.K. — November 21, 1979

"Of course, this is also the age of science and technology in
which human beings progressed beyond the stage of blind faith. And
in this great happening of the Last Judgment (Bible) and the
Resurrection Time (Koran), one need not, and should not, believe
blindfolded in whatever is said about ascent or salvation, but
should treat it like a hypothesis, and observe the facts with an
open mind like a scientist. Of course, if a hypothesis is proved,
then any honest, scientifically minded modern person has to accept
it. The pure Knowledge of the Divine, manifesting itself directly
through Self-Realization, will progressively lead to the creation of
a new race for the new Age. This Knowledge is not then for very few
privileged individuals, as it was in the past, but for the
benevolence of the whole world. In this way, the last breakthrough
of our evolution will be achieved en masse. The entire human race
can be renewed and transformed. Dharma, righteousness, will once
again be universally respected, and human beings will live in Peace,
harmoniously with themselves, with Nature, and with each other. . . .

In My opinion every Westerner has, as a matter of urgency, to
understand the vital role he has to play in this great Age of
Transformation and of the Last Judgment."

Sri Mataji Nirmala Devi

"But these are special time, the Blossom Time. They call it the
Last Judgment, you can call it the Resurrection Time, you can call
it the Qiyamah, they call it in Koran. It is said that people will
come out of their graves and will get their Resurrection. I mean
what is left to the graves is nothing but a few stones and a few
bones. No. All these souls which are dead will take their birth,
take human body and take their Realization in these special times.
This is a sensible thing to say and is also happening.

So now you have got your Realization because of your good deeds you
did in your last previous lives, as we say punya purre. But you must
respect it and you must understand what you've got is so great. You
have to know you are the spirit now. You are special people. You are
going to solve the problems of your country, of your community, of
your society, of your families. You'll be solving the problem of
the whole world. You are the one who are gong to bring Peace on this
Earth. You are the one who are going to create a new world of
beautiful divine people. So have faith in yourself. This faith works
very fast because it is not a false faith — it is a fact."

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Diwali Puja, Moscow, Russia — November 12, 1993

"You cannot force on the organization of God anything. He is on
His own, His organization is on His own. Only thing you can do is to
enter into His Kingdom and become a part and parcel of that blissful

You would never like to change it either. It is so wonderful. It is
so protective, it's so loving, is so gentle, so kind, so
compassionate, that you would hate to change that organization, but
we do! We try to organize God.

For people who think that is the ultimate you have to seek, it's all
arranged to enter into the Kingdom of God. The time has come. This
is the Day of Resurrection. These are the days of Resurrection."

Shri Pasahantri Devi
Hampstead, UK — July 22, 1982

(Pasahantri [811th]: One who destroys Pasas or bonds and gives
liberation or Moksa.)



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